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Post by enginterzi on Feb 7, 2008 13:04:39 GMT -5
Tzvetan Gashevski probably had the strongest side hits ever,he was a well rounded puller who has won in many different styles against the best pullers ever,but his difference from the others was his incredible strong side hits. Johnny Walker was the man who inspired me about side pressure (also Wayne Burns too).as far as i watched his videos he had a defensive rotator block which did not allow his opponents to curl him in,then he was just curling in and moving side way. once again i would like to mention Ibragimov as one of the strongest side hitters. Bill Sinks is another man with an incredible side pressure. it will not sound humble but if use my author ID by leaving my sportsman ID aside then i would see Engin Terzi as the most succesful side pressure user armwrestler who has won most of his wins (including16 WAF&EAF titles) with a fast and powerful outer side hits which is provided by strong arm angles and a solid wrist. with multiple times World Champion Sergei Pisarkov;
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Feb 7, 2008 13:05:18 GMT -5
speed - Miller, Terzi , Robert Redden , And from the Old old days days Bob Howell Nevada
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Feb 7, 2008 13:10:21 GMT -5
High Hook which is not hitting into Forearm wrist , which was My fAvorite style, ----John Walker
Defensive locks Best ever perhaps Al Turner
many others that were good Duke Sarcasian, George Hood 70-'s 80's. George Givens, Crazy george, etc...
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 7, 2008 13:12:35 GMT -5
speed by itself means nothing when it goes to "WORLD LEVEL".you have to have solid&powerful angles to stay whole when you hit the strongest arms in the WORLD.it can be enough at the state or national level if you do not have World level opponents around.the guys on my list are the guys who dominated world competetion "CONSTANTLY" which IMO proves the success and affectiveness to be one of the all times best.
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 7, 2008 13:14:23 GMT -5
Guy,
i call it side move or pressure when it is high and rotator controlled side pressure&move.
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Post by Jim Wagner on Feb 7, 2008 14:10:42 GMT -5
I cant remember ever being beat on the "go". I guess the one guy people may know, who I pulled, was Mike O'Hara from Ohio. He was considered very fast, and I always wondered how I would do with him speed wise. I dieted down and met up with him, and was able to flash him twice using a hook. I also lost that day to guys who were slower, but better then me. The point I'm making is Engin is correct, speed is only good if you are good. I was fast, but I was never good
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Post by Matl'e McDaniel on Feb 7, 2008 15:02:08 GMT -5
Sorry I forgot to put hook for Jacob and toproll for Luke. I thought this was for american pullers, otherwise I would have alist a mile long. I just thought Jacob embodied true hook strength where as other may not be as deep in the hook as Jacob can get and still be as affective. Yes Jacob had Mitch Cady to pull against so his syle may have been from having to pull him each week, but once he had his move there was no doubt. Jacob in years past when he actually trained to win was a beast who many do not remember being a two time runner up to the gold medal at the WAF worlds. If I'm not mistaken he came runner up to Germanus.
Reimer on the other hand is someone you would not look at and think he is a beast... Well not any longer since he is not as muscular as he once was say 5-7 years ago, but to those who have pulled him and seen his performance know how talented he in fact is. Everything you see from Luke is just pure hard work, and many will agree that he is all natural. I wish he would have changed his mind in England and just finished Worlds... I'm sure he would have won. All of this though is JMO.
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Feb 7, 2008 15:05:06 GMT -5
Guy, i call it side move or pressure when it is high and rotator controlled side pressure&move. Yes its not a true Hook
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Feb 7, 2008 15:21:11 GMT -5
speed by itself means nothing when it goes to "WORLD LEVEL".you have to have solid&powerful angles to stay whole when you hit the strongest arms in the WORLD.it can be enough at the state or national level if you do not have World level opponents around.the guys on my list are the guys who dominated world competetion "CONSTANTLY" which IMO proves the success and affectiveness to be one of the all times best. Also your knowledge is unsurpassed No doubt. And what you say 99% I usually agree for me I talk a lot about the 1980's because that was my prime until injuries really slowed me from 1987 to 89 and i quit for a while and than athritis sets in Ouch !!. And yes its hard to Judge from that era to this one in some cases. But all we had to pull was a few countries which is before the eastern Bloc countries came to the sport. Dan Mason, Virgil,Clay, Dave patton, Myself , Badger drewes walker, Givens and many other pullers thats all we had to guage by Its Like trying to say for 100% sure like in Boxing that Joe Louis and Ali would beat anyone today or last decade.
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 7, 2008 15:22:04 GMT -5
Guy,
i would not question your knowledge either,i only pointed that if my hits were not as powerful as they have been then my speed would not bring me all those titles.i do not know if i am really fast or not.what provides me my fast hit are my solid hand and well built angles.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Feb 7, 2008 15:30:11 GMT -5
speed by itself means nothing when it goes to "WORLD LEVEL".you have to have solid&powerful angles to stay whole when you hit the strongest arms in the WORLD.it can be enough at the state or national level if you do not have World level opponents around.the guys on my list are the guys who dominated world competetion "CONSTANTLY" which IMO proves the success and affectiveness to be one of the all times best. you ought to write a book with all the knowledge you have of the sport. I agree with what you said
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Post by Coley Jones on Feb 7, 2008 16:56:46 GMT -5
James your right i guess i'm just borred and needed something to talk about. Coley you mention speed but what about hand control like John's? Hmm, good question. Speed isn't much without it, as Engin mentioned. Terzi knows the hands well, and watching Arsen Liliev vs. Oncescu is one heck of a hand control display. Now that I mention it, Oncescu is pretty quick too.
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 7, 2008 17:31:18 GMT -5
watching Arsen Liliev vs. Oncescu is one heck of a hand control display. Now that I mention it, Oncescu is pretty quick too. that is a great example for me to use about my point.many will agree that Oncescu is one of the fastest armwrestlers in the world if not the fastest.but that was not enough to put Arsen Liliev even into a losing position even though he is the current World Champion of 198s which is 3 classes above of Arsen Liliev's class.
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Post by Coley Jones on Feb 7, 2008 20:37:23 GMT -5
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Post by Bob Paradis on Feb 7, 2008 21:26:16 GMT -5
speed by itself means nothing when it goes to "WORLD LEVEL".you have to have solid&powerful angles to stay whole when you hit the strongest arms in the WORLD.it can be enough at the state or national level if you do not have World level opponents around.the guys on my list are the guys who dominated world competetion "CONSTANTLY" which IMO proves the success and affectiveness to be one of the all times best. you ought to write a book with all the knowledge you have of the sport. I agree with what you said I'm not sure, but I think Engin said that all the info he has compiled will eventually be put into a book.
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