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Post by Kevin Harris on May 19, 2008 14:51:45 GMT -5
I have pulled Jim severial times and never had any trouble with the way he pulled, Hi suprized me and made me work to beat him but a strong hand and side pressure works, I am sure he isnt trying to hurt anyone, must just be the way he pulls, Bob Giffis from Omaha pulls the same way, He can and has ripped the skin right off the side of my thumb,
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Post by Chris Kaufman on May 19, 2008 14:55:40 GMT -5
I have pulled Jim severial times and never had any trouble with the way he pulled, Hi suprized me and made me work to beat him but a strong hand and side pressure works, I am sure he isnt trying to hurt anyone, must just be the way he pulls, Bob Giffis from Omaha pulls the same way, He can and has ripped the skin right off the side of my thumb, The move he did doesn't rip the skin, it puts pressure on first joint of the thumb. It's kind of like plaining out, but only holding onto the thumb.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on May 19, 2008 14:56:56 GMT -5
I think the real question is, Chris, did you get permission from Gary Roberts to put up that picture? Clearly you got it off of Arm TV and as Gary has clearly stated in another thread, in the industry, it is common courtesy to ask or thanks those that provide, or something like that. Whatever you do, don't put that pic on Facebook, cause the Gary would really be after you then. I don't think I need a picture of Jim Coyle on my Facebook or Myspace. ;D
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Post by Chris Kaufman on May 19, 2008 15:00:54 GMT -5
Just talked to my brother. He thinks his thumb is dislocated, or got dislocated and popped back in.
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Post by Pete & Tim on May 19, 2008 15:13:37 GMT -5
Good for you Chris. I wouldn't want you to have to deal with that mess. ;D
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Post by Russell Stark on May 19, 2008 16:19:01 GMT -5
I don't know if Jim knows but he has a move in his play book that he should rip out P.S. He only pulls that move if he is out powered in the set up. SOOO... go light with your back presser ;D
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Post by Kevin Harris on May 19, 2008 16:32:21 GMT -5
I understand Chris, Bob will break your thumb if you dont go down or skip by ripping off your skin, Bob pulled steve Rea and beat him that way and pinched his thumb so hard it gave him a blood blister under his nail, Justin is a heck of a puller, one of the best in the mid west right now, I am sorry he gor hurt, Justin is hungery, he is be back in full force I am sure
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Post by Kevin Harris on May 19, 2008 16:34:08 GMT -5
and you are right Russ, Bob even told me the harder I back load the more her likes it, his fingers peel off and can just torque more on the thumb, it is just a style
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Post by James Battles on May 19, 2008 16:39:19 GMT -5
THAT IS B*LLSH*T!! PERIOD. And the man is not a clown, he's one of the best guys around this sport. I promise, he has no reckless intention to hurt anyone, THAT IS REDICULOUS. I'm an ametuer and have been pulling with Jim Coyle, Dan Whittle and the rest of Team Oklahoma for about 6 months and my ametuer hand has NEVER been affected by Jim to feel like I was in any bad situation. He would give his shirt off his back to any one of you and never ask for anything back. I have nothing but respect for Jim Coyle, and for you guys who don't know him and trying to make him look like a punk is weak. Thats what you have refs for to call fouls and Quality Control the match. I'm sure you guys will come back with your own reckless intention to trash someones name. But you should know that he is not as being advertised. period. Arron you can get your A S S on your shoulders all you want. I simply stated that Dwayne's injury was after the match... Out of the refs hands after he won. Do you dipute it? Were you there? I was not but Dwayne Hanel who required about 15grand in surgery was angry for months about this. It did happen. Jim Coyle at his age should have better control of his anger than to do something like that. Dwayne described it in detail. He relaxed his hand after winning the match and your "friend?" snatched it around and ripped the cartilage off the bone. It is Dwayne's deal. I am sure he will deal with it. He did make a complaint which I do not know what happened. Nobody is punking anybody. I simply stated the report as it came to me. It has been about a year now and Dwayne is getting better but has not yet returned to the table. Before you just jump into something all ignorant and such you should just calm down and speak instead of trying to refute something that you did not have an account of. Dwayne is my friend and he showed me the xrays etc. Regardless of what you think it did happen. No big deal I have seen this done before by another. I guess it is done and over with but your friend should know with all that has been reported to date he should definitely try not to do it in the future for his own good. That is unless he has alot of money and just wants to pay for the damage in one way or another in the future. Get over it.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on May 19, 2008 16:41:19 GMT -5
I understand Chris, Bob will break your thumb if you dont go down or skip by ripping off your skin, Bob pulled steve Rea and beat him that way and pinched his thumb so hard it gave him a blood blister under his nail, Justin is a heck of a puller, one of the best in the mid west right now, I am sorry he gor hurt, Justin is hungery, he is be back in full force I am sure Yeah but will Bob lift his elbow off the pad so as to, on purpose or not, apply more pressure to your thumb joint popping it out of socket? Also, he continues to crank on your thumb even after he's lifted his elbow off the pad. The thing about it is there's no way he could win this way, and he only does it on a practice table (that I've seen). Which would make one assume he was doing it intentionally considering he can't get away with it in a tournament. Considering he's been pulling for twenty some years, you'd think he'd have a little more respect for his fellow pullers and not try to put them out of commission just because he can't beat them.
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Post by James Battles on May 19, 2008 16:42:24 GMT -5
I understand Chris, Bob will break your thumb if you dont go down or skip by ripping off your skin, Bob pulled steve Rea and beat him that way and pinched his thumb so hard it gave him a blood blister under his nail, Justin is a heck of a puller, one of the best in the mid west right now, I am sorry he gor hurt, Justin is hungery, he is be back in full force I am sure Ha the banana peeler ripped the side off my thumb that day. That is a bit different from how this was explained to me but fair enough. Bob had no malice in his actions. He put me in the thumb lock and I ripped the side off my thumb waving him back over to the pin pad . Power won over the hand that day. Dwayne reported differently as I stated above.
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Post by James Battles on May 19, 2008 16:45:45 GMT -5
I understand Chris, Bob will break your thumb if you dont go down or skip by ripping off your skin, Bob pulled steve Rea and beat him that way and pinched his thumb so hard it gave him a blood blister under his nail, Justin is a heck of a puller, one of the best in the mid west right now, I am sorry he gor hurt, Justin is hungery, he is be back in full force I am sure Yeah but will Bob lift his elbow off the pad so as to, on purpose or not, apply more pressure to your thumb joint popping it out of socket? Also, he continues to crank on your thumb even after he's lifted his elbow off the pad. The thing about it is there's no way he could win this way, and he only does it on a practice table that I've seen. Which would make one assume he was doing it intentionally considering he can't get away with it in a tournament. No Bob never lifts his elbow. Not his style. This thing you describe was actually dubbed the thumb breaker many years ago on the old guys never lifted up to get more of a pressure point because they would be fouled. To lift one's elbow and do something like that changes the whole outlook and vision of intent.
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Post by Aaron Blevins on May 19, 2008 17:40:34 GMT -5
THAT IS B*LLSH*T!! PERIOD. And the man is not a clown, he's one of the best guys around this sport. I promise, he has no reckless intention to hurt anyone, THAT IS REDICULOUS. I'm an ametuer and have been pulling with Jim Coyle, Dan Whittle and the rest of Team Oklahoma for about 6 months and my ametuer hand has NEVER been affected by Jim to feel like I was in any bad situation. He would give his shirt off his back to any one of you and never ask for anything back. I have nothing but respect for Jim Coyle, and for you guys who don't know him and trying to make him look like a punk is weak. Thats what you have refs for to call fouls and Quality Control the match. I'm sure you guys will come back with your own reckless intention to trash someones name. But you should know that he is not as being advertised. period. Arron you can get your A S S on your shoulders all you want. I simply stated that Dwayne's injury was after the match... Out of the refs hands after he won. Do you dipute it? Were you there? I was not but Dwayne Hanel who required about 15grand in surgery was angry for months about this. It did happen. Jim Coyle at his age should have better control of his anger than to do something like that. Dwayne described it in detail. He relaxed his hand after winning the match and your "friend?" snatched it around and ripped the cartilage off the bone. It is Dwayne's deal. I am sure he will deal with it. He did make a complaint which I do not know what happened. Nobody is punking anybody. I simply stated the report as it came to me. It has been about a year now and Dwayne is getting better but has not yet returned to the table. Before you just jump into something all ignorant and such you should just calm down and speak instead of trying to refute something that you did not have an account of. Dwayne is my friend and he showed me the xrays etc. Regardless of what you think it did happen. No big deal I have seen this done before by another. I guess it is done and over with but your friend should know with all that has been reported to date he should definitely try not to do it in the future for his own good. That is unless he has alot of money and just wants to pay for the damage in one way or another in the future. Get over it. Well James, I'm sure you feel better telling me how it is and all, but let me tell you this, since you are speaking for a friend and trashing mine. You get over it......One post you're talking about punching him and breaking glasses and noses and the next you're just looking over x-rays (Dr. Battles?)and being a good ol' boy letting your friend handle it. Sounds like you need to take some of your own advice and act your age. You've been a little bit of everywhere on this topic and I don't know what you're getting at, yet, but I ASSURE you that he has no ill will on or off the table. Meanwhile, the Monday after the Tournament he is getting his name trashed on this board not knowingly. Instead of speaking with J. Kaufman? after the initial problem. Sound familiar James? You and Chris Kaufman should just call each other and vent on how your buddy and brother have had issues instead of trashing someones name that had no effect on yourselves. Hard*ss.
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Post by Kevin Harris on May 19, 2008 18:08:46 GMT -5
Hi james, I wasnt talking about Dwayne I was talking about me and Bob, Bob is my friend and that is just how be pulls, for some reason he doesnt use his hand, and his hand is really strong, he just knows one way to pull and that is the thumb lock, Bob has beat me the last 3 times we pulled but when my hand is up to par I can hold him, I think Bob retired already which is to bad, he went trhough a divorse and hasnt pulled sence, sorry this is off the topic, I hope Justin makes a health comeback
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Post by James Battles on May 19, 2008 18:21:01 GMT -5
yeah no sweat Arron It means nothing to me. My comment on glasses etc. was hypothetic. I can assure you that means anyone who tries to damage my hand as was indicated. It doesn't necessarily equate to some 176 pounder? I would make a go of anyone who tried to hurt me. You know in 1998 I was in Cairo Egypt walking through the venue when here comes two security personnel escorting one of the Egyptian team back from the bathroom. Yeah he like needed security but it was not for him but rather to control him. This guys hand was the size of Cleve Deans and before they could shuffle him past he was all over me gripping up. Man he was hitting the ceiling . You could see it in his eyes. You know there are certain ways a hand just does not turn. He refused to let go and was just gripping harder and harder while the two security guards tried to get him off me. I could see they were not in control so I went ahead and gripped back and smiled. He stopped right there and went on. He was definitely big and strong enough to do some damage. I am not real difficult to reason with and it had been a year since this whole thing happened to Dwayne. You are really kind of lucky he did not come in here. I don't have any stake in it nor did I post up. People should ask questions in here and eventually they work themselves out. I don't know if Dwayne has the time to come around and deal with it or not. If so he will. He did say that he had confronted Jim about what happened and Jim told him that is just the way he wrestled. I guess that means either during or after you should not lighten your grip with this guy because he has a twitch that dislocates thumbs lol. So unintentional at least everyone should know he does this and prepare themselves. Maybe he should warn people if it is his condition. Beyond that I cannot say because I do not know. Since it is Jim's contention that it is everyone else's fault if they sustain damage then so be it. Personally I don't care about it or anyone getting their panties in a wad. My concern was that I perceived that you were saying I was a liar. I can also assure you I am not. Yes it would have been better to be out on the off topic board. This entire thing is based on Chris's statement and what his brother 's condition is and what he is willing to do about it under whatever situation . Insured or not. modified to get my Kaufmans straight
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