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Post by enginterzi on Jun 12, 2008 9:48:32 GMT -5
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Post by enginterzi on Jun 12, 2008 9:49:54 GMT -5
in fact throwing an atomic bomb on tens of thousands of civillians and killing them like bugs must have been a nice thing to do,but i am sure it does not tell you anything since it did not happen to you but happenned by you..
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 12, 2008 9:52:28 GMT -5
That was japan's fault though Engin, they shouldn't have attacked Pear Harbor an dragged us into the war.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 12, 2008 9:53:33 GMT -5
Not saying dropping that bomb was right.
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Post by enginterzi on Jun 12, 2008 10:09:40 GMT -5
or do going to church on sundays but then treating black people like animals tell you anything?
how about deceiving Native Americans and doing nice ! things to them?
or going to Iraq with the mask of democracy game and resulting the death of over 1 million people? have you ever checked abu gharib prison and the treatments to the prisoners? you want me to post some pictures? oh sorry it would disturb children,how about some links to them? those pictures are great about proving the democracy that is brought to Iraqi people.they are terrorists because they want to decide in their home land..they would have had chance to do that if they were not living on a land that is full of oil..or have you checked about 14 years old girl who was raped and killed,and her family whose daughter were raped front of them,and then also got killed?
yeah yeah behave like those people are insane and tries to kill and get killed for virgins in heaven..keep deceiving yourself,those people's families have been murdered by Israel with high tech weapons and that is why they have no reason to live anymore.
for sure Saddam was an evil man,but he was an evil man when Donald Rumsfeld was shaking his hand as a good supporter in Baghdad,too.but at that time US strategy needed Saddam against Iran during Iran-Iraq war.it was also a good opportunity both for CCCP and USA to sell the older weapons to the parties that they supported.money has always been needed to invent newer weapons..the time that Saddam was killing his own people Rumsfeld was shaking his hand in Baghdad..but it is very interesting to see that Saddam was punished by US because of those crimes so many years later..
oh sorry,it was not the reason..the reason was chemical and bioligical weapons that soon will be found..
same with Taliban..they have been supported by US against CCCP and now guess who is over there to occupy Afganistan?
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Post by enginterzi on Jun 12, 2008 10:14:40 GMT -5
Not saying dropping that bomb was right. Johnny, i am not saying that Japan was right to attack on US.i am saying that there is nothing that can be a reason of killing tens of thousands of civillians and please do not tell me that funny excuse that they teach you at schools,"it was necessary to do it (to kill tens of thousands of civillians) to finish the war". when thousands of Palestanian civillians were killed by Israel,does it give right to people who lost their families, to kill the civillians of USA or Israel? no absolutely no! it is a great sin to kill innocent people.i am not defending those civillian killer suicide bombers,all i say is that "STOP SAYING THAT THOSE PEOPLE JUST KILL THEMSELVES WITH OTHERS JUST TO HAVE VIRGINS OR SOMETHING LIKE" because it is not true! please watch it for GOD's sake www.hiddenmysteries.net/video/2005/sabra.shtml
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Jun 12, 2008 11:12:26 GMT -5
in fact throwing an atomic bomb on tens of thousands of civillians and killing them like bugs must have been a nice thing to do,but i am sure it does not tell you anything since it did not happen to you but happenned by you.. This was a World War and Japan bombed us first. Was there civilian deaths? You bet. That is the nature of a "World" war. Did that bomb save millions of lives by ending the war? Yes. So don't expect me to condemn the dropping of that bomb. Sorry
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Post by enginterzi on Jun 12, 2008 11:23:20 GMT -5
in fact throwing an atomic bomb on tens of thousands of civillians and killing them like bugs must have been a nice thing to do,but i am sure it does not tell you anything since it did not happen to you but happenned by you.. This was a World War and Japan bombed us first. Was there civilian deaths? You bet. That is the nature of a "World" war. Did that bomb save millions of lives by ending the war? Yes. So don't expect me to condemn the dropping of that bomb. Sorry killing the civillians accidently and killing the civillians intentionaly are not same things..so if US military is over there then it is a war too,so why do you blame those people,because they dont have nuclear bombs but something smaller?
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Post by enginterzi on Jun 12, 2008 11:31:35 GMT -5
in the last 4-5 years over 1 million died in Iraq,maybe US shouls send another atomic bomb to end the middle east conflict? but then it would hurt the oil producing and marketing..my bad sorry..oil is not important? ok then take the Israel out of here and send an atomic bomb? i try to find a solution but i think you are right,killing tens of thousands of civillians by throwing an atomic bomb seems like the best way for the solution since the "WAR HAS NO RULES",right? killing civillians intentionally is not a wrong thing if it is a war?? Israel Cluster Bomb Use in Lebanon "Outrageous": UN by Alistair Lyon BEIRUT - Israel scattered at least 350,000 unexploded cluster bomblets on south Lebanon in its war with Hizbollah, mostly when the conflict was all but over, leaving a deadly legacy for civilians, U.N. officials said on Tuesday. www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0919-03.htm
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Jun 12, 2008 12:32:49 GMT -5
Engin, Why not debate this on a thread condemning American wars? Our debate is on why McCane thinks Iran is more dangerous than Russia was. Or better yet which candidate is worse than the other ;D
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Post by enginterzi on Jun 12, 2008 12:38:32 GMT -5
Engin, Why not debate this on a thread condemning American wars? Our debate is on why McCane thinks Iran is more dangerous than Russia was. Or better yet which candidate is worse than the other ;D if your debate could stay about American candidates then you and i both know that i would not get involved in this thread at all. i just can not handle when my belief is being unfairly attacked and disrespected.the crimes of minority can not be the guilt of the majority,as some of the wrong acts of the governments can not be the guilt of their publics..that is why i still am a Muslim and that is why i still have American friends.. peace be upon all of you..
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Jun 12, 2008 14:12:02 GMT -5
Engin, Why not debate this on a thread condemning American wars? Our debate is on why McCane thinks Iran is more dangerous than Russia was. Or better yet which candidate is worse than the other ;D if your debate could stay about American candidates then you and i both know that i would not get involved in this thread at all. i just can not handle when my belief is being unfairly attacked and disrespected.the crimes of minority can not be the guilt of the majority,as some of the wrong acts of the governments can not be the guilt of their publics..that is why i still am a Muslim and that is why i still have American friends.. peace be upon all of you.. We are friends but on some issues we will have to disagree. I guess coming from different backgrounds and religions will change our perceptions. I know you truly believe what you have written just as I do. Peace be with you also.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Jun 12, 2008 14:14:30 GMT -5
The Constitution begs to differ. But then again, who really pays attention to that old rag of a document anymore, right? Erick, Here is the passage from the constitution that relates to religion. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Jun 12, 2008 18:14:05 GMT -5
The Constitution begs to differ. But then again, who really pays attention to that old rag of a document anymore, right? Erick, Do us a favor and quote exactly from the constitution the passage you are talking about. ;D "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." First Amendment. When religious radicals try to make this country into a Christian state, thereby FORCING non-religious citizens to pay taxes to support causes they don't believe in, you are going against the principles behind the above amendment.
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Jun 12, 2008 18:17:29 GMT -5
The Constitution begs to differ. But then again, who really pays attention to that old rag of a document anymore, right? Erick, Here is the passage from the constitution that relates to religion. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Yes, I know. I got to this post after I had already responded to your first one. Unlike most Americans who wipe their butts with what's left of the Constitution, I actually believe in it.
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