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Post by Travis Berggren on Feb 21, 2009 19:33:17 GMT -5
i was just wondering which technique was the better over,the toproll or the hook.i can see each having their good and bad points and also know arm wrestlers like John B., Matt Girdner and Eric Wolf use the hook a bunch and are awesome using it but on the other hand their is Travis Bagent,Emlyn Williams,Cory Miller use the toproll alot and have enormous results
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Post by chrislydman on Feb 21, 2009 19:40:55 GMT -5
My opinion only.......both. Work on both, styles do in fact make match-ups. People are still amazed when a strong top-roller suddenly breaks out a hook when needed. The best armwrestlers can use multiple styles well, and even more importantly, know when to use what. Cobra told me once that his hand was like a computer chip feeding his brain, on the set-up. I think physiology of the puller indicates a propensity to do one or the other of the styles, but what God gave us can always be worked on. Kevin Bongard is a good example of the tall,cool one, with a great hook  |
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Post by Stephen Pickron "Pic" on Feb 22, 2009 16:37:40 GMT -5
I like to top-roll .................I will have in my mind to hook when I get up there and never do it.
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Post by chrislydman on Feb 22, 2009 16:46:12 GMT -5
I like to top-roll .................I will have in my mind to hook when I get up there and never do it. Big Pic, if I had a quarter for that very situation over the yrs, I'd be very rich! In fact, Simon pointed that out to me in 2006. The reluctance to hook, or even switch up during the match, because I wasn't sure I could pull it off, cost me a National Title in 2006 against Gene Dunn. Watch the AAA Nats  Be good at every style, or at least be willing to pull the trigger  |
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 22, 2009 17:53:01 GMT -5
A good plan executed perfectly is much better than a perfect plan executed poorly. Don't talk yourself out of a move when you get up to the table. Commit 100% even if you feel like your move maybe isn't the best. Only change your mind if the opponent completely takes you out of your move. It is much more important to be committed and focused than to switch up on the fly for some small perceived advantage that may not even come to fruition. In other words, action is much faster than reaction.
"Moves" don't beat other moves as often as people like to think. Better execution beats the other guy 99% of the time. If you don't know why you lost a match then the answer is you didn't commit. If you can walk away from a loss and know exactly how you got beaten and why, then and only then was it a strategy problem.
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 22, 2009 17:54:21 GMT -5
To answer the OP,
The best move for you is the one that allows you to bring the most amount of your strength and ability to bear. Being well rounded and experienced in many moves gives you a plan B when things don't work out like you expected. I think it's a mistake to think of moves as golf clubs where you pull out the move that you think is right for the moment. Fear the man with only one club because he knows how to make the most of it. There are a hundred ways to toproll. Know them all. Know what works for you under which conditions. Modify your approach if you can't get what you want on the setup, don't change tactics entirely. Why? Because if you are wishy washy on your plan you are not committed and you will lose.
Just my .02
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Post by Mike West on Feb 22, 2009 20:14:14 GMT -5
Where have you been John, long time no see  Ummmm........hook, I'm an armwrestler not a hand wrestler, right Christian ;D |
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Post by Brandon Dye on Feb 22, 2009 20:39:09 GMT -5
both, depending on the style of puller, either one can be just as effective.... this coming from someone who use to always hook, then i got smart  |
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 22, 2009 21:38:29 GMT -5
Hey there, Mike! I fell off the face of the earth for a while but I finally made my way back home to the best sport in the world. It's great to see you're still going strong.
Hook vs Toproll is a very good question if you haven't yet developed your own style. In my opinion, the toproll is easier on my arm but a great hand can shut down the toproll on the setup. I have had a lot of "OH CRAP!" moments while attempting a toproll where my body moved on the GO and my arm didn't and I had to go to Plan B.
On the flip side, a hook is a devasting move when done well but if you get caught and your opponent is strong, you're in for a war. Once your hook gets stretched out into a drag hook you pay the price in energy and a blown up arm.
I stick by my original answer: neither move is perfect against all opponents. Your best option is to pick one and execute it 100% and let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by Russell Stark on Feb 22, 2009 21:44:46 GMT -5
i was just wondering which technique was the better over,the toproll or the hook.i can see each having their good and bad points and also know arm wrestlers like John B., Matt Girdner and Eric Wolf use the hook a bunch and are awesome using it but on the other hand their is Travis Bagent,Emlyn Williams,Cory Miller use the toproll alot and have enormous results Emlyn & Cory have a great hook & use them. I like the TopRoll & Hook. |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Feb 23, 2009 11:44:33 GMT -5
Where have you been John, long time no see Ummmm........hook, I'm an armwrestler not a hand wrestler, right Christian ;D LOL... |
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Post by stevenking on Feb 25, 2009 13:35:47 GMT -5
i drag and hook that is all i know
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Post by Travis Berggren on Feb 25, 2009 21:19:50 GMT -5
i like to hook or top roll right handed and go over their hand left or some times toproll
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Post by Keenan Magoon on Feb 26, 2009 5:51:23 GMT -5
Yea same here, left hand toproll, and right hand either or...but i prefer the hook.
Feel what your opponents hand, body position, and load are telling you and calculate what you will have to do on the go.
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Be good at every style, or at least be willing to pull the trigger 
