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Post by Gary Roberts on Feb 26, 2009 19:32:48 GMT -5
Awesome Novice amateur explanation from Tim...check it out! Description: 2009 When do you know your finished with Novice? Tim Lewis Part Two(23 min) 2/14/09 Members in this video: Tim Lewis WWW.MYARMTV.COM |
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Post by David Owens on Feb 26, 2009 22:12:22 GMT -5
I watched the clips and I just wanted to see what others takes on this topic was personaly I think our big armsport companys should come togather and make it iron clad that once you reach a certain point in your career you cannot pull in certain classes I think the real novice in the sport sometimes get the short end of the stick because we have no unity on the subject if our sport is to grow we have to make room for these pullers at the bottem
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Post by Stephen Pickron "Pic" on Feb 26, 2009 22:15:42 GMT -5
There are rules to prohibit this ..........I think if I am not mistaken in AAA after you win 3 novice classes you have to move up .you have no choice.....I dont know about the other sanctions.
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Post by David Owens on Feb 26, 2009 22:24:57 GMT -5
thats just it they all have rules reguarding this but none of which are the same I know USAA after you take money you lose your amature status but I remember people back when I was hitting alot of events placing and then not accepting the cash ,also I've maybe pulled one AAA event but I'm nowhere nere novice they don't know that what would stop me from running through thier novice class simply because I'm from the west coast
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 26, 2009 22:41:34 GMT -5
I have seen many novices who are much more skilled than me............doesn't say much, but they are supposed to be beginners.
Novices are supposed to be unskilled or unexperienced, like boxing............but when you see countless novice matches going in the straps..............well, this shows that they have enough body conscience to protect and attack a hand............something that takes some skill and time.
I say as a flat rule of thumb.......................3 first place novice events.......regardless of size or 1 year from their first event, which ever comes first.
This way if you are genetically very strong and win 3 novices very quick, obviously you don't belong in novice, but you may not be ready to win pros.........yet.........but you have proven that the tools are there.
If you go the full year with no wins..............well, look at all you learned...............look at how many times you have pulled under competition guidelines.........you are obviously much,much more skilled.........and if I had a couple of bucks to bet based on your experience and skill you would smash a brand new very strong guy just based on being involved for a year.............for the most part.
I year or 3 wins.......it works............so everyone wants to be "ready".....oh well........sad fact is many will never take first places.
I used to get embarassed when I would lose, and then reality hit and when you are in a huge room full of armwrestlers at an event..................everyone in the room loses on that day except a few...........and even first place doesn't mean you didn't come up the losers bracket to get it.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Feb 26, 2009 23:28:58 GMT -5
The USAA rule on Novice is this:
#1 you have not taken a first place in that division.
#2 that first place must have at least 4 in the class
The USAA rule on Amateur is this;
#1 you are not a recognized pro
That is it. If you won 50.00 in some bar tournament somewhere.....so what.
We know who the pro's are and they cannot pull Amateur. (not that they want to ;D)
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Post by David Owens on Feb 27, 2009 1:26:13 GMT -5
I like this version of the rule as well but I just wish it was solid everywhere one way or the other
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Post by Mike Moeller on Feb 27, 2009 1:28:23 GMT -5
I think GARY ROBERTS could answer this best since he is one right?
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Post by David Owens on Feb 27, 2009 1:47:45 GMT -5
hey Leonard
by recognized pro i'm sure you mean big names well for arguement sake lets say when I come to your nationals in may I intend on pulling pro which I will but lets say that in my class 176"s Allen Ficsher,Kevin Bongard , Cobra Rhodes ,Mike Mcraw and such will also be in this class now these are big name guys does that mean I should be able to drop to amature for feeling that I can't compete ,now people don't know my name ...yet but I've been pulling for over a decade and as you said I may not want to pull amature but I could probably get away with it ...its my belief there are people out there at my status that would and do take advantage of the rule
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Post by Robert Wimbley on Feb 27, 2009 1:49:28 GMT -5
I've seen guys win a state title in a pro class, and go to another state and pull novice because their arm was sore....thats a bunch of bull!!!!!
There are some places that dont ask and the people that pull those tournaments need to grow up and help our sport grow by pulling pro class consistently....you know who you are!!
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Post by kyledarby on Feb 27, 2009 2:45:06 GMT -5
I knew I was done because Jacob told me I was when I took washington state left and right  |
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Post by Jeremy Plaster on Feb 27, 2009 10:34:31 GMT -5
I knew I was done because Jacob told me I was when I took washington state left and right Jacob is a great sportsman. I act in the same manner with my guys. I know what each organization's rules are..but as their coach, If I think they are stealing trophies from novice guys, they go up to the pro class whether they like it or not. And they all know this. With that said, I think that some of this DOES fall on who is training them (if anyone is). If you are one of the guys or THE guy on your team who is the one teaching or coaching...It's up to you as well to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen. These guys love the trophies, sure. They love the wins, sure... But let me tell you... At this stage of the game, I don't even remember names of guys I beat in any novice class I ever pulled, but I can tell you who I beat in every last pro class of my career. I know of at least one guy who doesn't accept money in USAA events so he can continue to pull Amatures. I lost respect for that man a long time ago. It's poor sportsmanship. All he is accomplishing is stealing a win from a REAL amature. |
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Feb 27, 2009 10:40:27 GMT -5
hey Leonard by recognized pro i'm sure you mean big names well for arguement sake lets say when I come to your nationals in may I intend on pulling pro which I will but lets say that in my class 176"s Allen Ficsher,Kevin Bongard , Cobra Rhodes ,Mike Mcraw and such will also be in this class now these are big name guys does that mean I should be able to drop to amature for feeling that I can't compete ,now people don't know my name ...yet but I've been pulling for over a decade and as you said I may not want to pull amature but I could probably get away with it ...its my belief there are people out there at my status that would and do take advantage of the rule Your dad is a recognized pro but you are not. I am talking not just about recognized armwrestlers but recognized "Pro's". So yes you can pull both pro and amateur. Unless you beat those pros at our event and that would make you ineligible for the amateurs. |
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Post by Keith Dowdy on Feb 27, 2009 12:07:00 GMT -5
That leaves people asking questions per the reason of this thread .It needs to be more cut and dry.It should be set on amount of wins.Not having to pull pro in a particular tourney just because a few big names are in your class don't mean you go back to amateur for that event.You take your bumps and bruises.get better and live for another day.So far as money that doesn't make you a true pro.Only a certain amount of wins should.Ithink AAA so far has the best graduation system .quote author=leonardharkless board=general thread=14263 post=191919 time=1235749227] hey Leonard by recognized pro I'm sure you mean big names well for argument sake lets say when I come to your nationals in may I intend on pulling pro which I will but lets say that in my class 176"s Allen Fisher,Kevin Bongard , Cobra Rhodes ,Mike Mcraw and such will also be in this class now these are big name guys does that mean I should be able to drop to amature for feeling that I can't compete ,now people don't know my name ...yet but I've been pulling for over a decade and as you said I may not want to pull amature but I could probably get away with it ...its my belief there are people out there at my status that would and do take advantage of the rule Your dad is a recognized pro but you are not. I am talking not just about recognized armwrestlers but recognized "Pro's". So yes you can pull both pro and amateur. Unless you beat those pros at our event and that would make you ineligible for the amateurs.[/quote] |
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Post by David Owens on Feb 27, 2009 12:08:04 GMT -5
is there a limit to how many times you can win amature titles.If you are at the bottem of the pro's division because for whatever reason you could never beat the recognized pro's then I guess you could pull amature for life ,which make sense because the amature tourney is usually held the day after the pro so if I go
0-2 hey its ok that just means I'm still an amature
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