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Post by Corey "FLASH" Miller on Jun 22, 2009 10:51:09 GMT -5
i am talking to a lady who puts on alot events for Cheyenne and things are looking great to get a big money tournament started in Cheyenne. i got a couple of questions for everyone.
if the money was good would u come? Denver is only 2hrs away closest airport
weight classes would prob be something like 160, 190, 225, 226+ right and left, how does that sound?
would u be more likely to come if there was money only right and higher amount or both hands and lower amounts?
what else would help to get more people to come?
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Post by Corey "FLASH" Miller on Jun 22, 2009 10:53:12 GMT -5
note that this is a first time thing and that as it grows the weight classes and money will end up changing. offering more
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Post by Tim Lewis on Jun 22, 2009 13:34:45 GMT -5
Most Colorado /Wyoming tournaments rarely offer the cash prizes so I'm sure you've have most of the pullers from both of those states there. New Mexico would probably bring a few regardless of how small the money was.
It terms of people traveling in from further of flying in it would probably depend on how much.
How much money do you think you'd be able to give away per class? If it was less than 500 per class you'd probably want to have less classes to pay more per class if you're trying to attract the best to come in as they would have to pay for flights. The idea in attracting better competition from far away is to have people believe that they at least have a good chance of getting back their travel expenses or close too it.
If you don't think that's plausbie with the amount of sponsorship you have than a payout like $250, $150, $50 in every class will attract all the mountain west pullers and maybe some bordering states but probably not a whole lot more than that.
A good way to still attract a good turnout in the amatuer divisions is to have 3 cash boxes for like $100 a piece. Or should you decide not to have amatuer at all, maybe pay more money out per class right handed and then pay out 3 cash boxes for the left hand total.
Just my suggestions not really knowing how much you have to work with.
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Post by Coley Jones on Jun 22, 2009 14:03:14 GMT -5
Tim's on the right track with this. If you can attract some amateurs to come along with the pro's, you'll have a lot more entry fees paid. I like the idea, Corey. If you can talk some of the Idaho guys in to coming down, that would help out. They have a pretty strong contingent of pullers. Utah too.
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Post by Corey "FLASH" Miller on Jun 22, 2009 15:08:57 GMT -5
well if it were to work i was thinking of pay a top 3 for the first tournament of course , but what my plans were to see how much money i can get from sponcers say i get 1000 dollars then i make it top 2 that makes it something like 200 and 100 only right hand whatever then i was going to take all the entry fee money and dispurse it through out all the weights so lets say the entry is 25 bucks and 100 people enter that adds 2500 on to all weight which then i would add a third place and do something like 3 2 1 i dont know at the moment its all a number game right now im really looking for the right number to bring people would cash boxes be better say i did o 12 cash boxes a couple big ones and some smaller ones so say 3000 bucks into 12 cash boxes would that bring more people and u get tickets all the way down to say 5th place in every class then i could make more classes and also do it for both hands. what do u think
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Post by stevenking on Jun 22, 2009 15:14:50 GMT -5
Me and Maria will go, depending on the date let me know when you know good luck Corey
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Post by Tim Lewis on Jun 22, 2009 15:26:47 GMT -5
The biggest problem in promoting a big cash tourney is that your pool of funds is largely dependent of the number of people that actually show up.
To accomplish what I think you are attempting to accomplish here is what I would do:
Payback 80% of the entry fees collected in a cash box format. Give tickets for 1st through 4th. 4/3/2/1 You can also decide to pay more later, but advertise it this way so that you have some money to pay your referees and bracket staff.
Then with the sponsor money (which you'll know up front in advance) pay out additional money to 1st and 2nd in each class. So if you have $1000. Pay out like $175 for first and $75 for second in each of 4 right handed weight class. This money is guarnteed even if you have a not so good turnout.
Left handed classes would only get tickets then and right handed classes would have a chance to win the cash boxes in addition to the guaranteed winnings.
This all accomplishes the following:
1) Makes sure there is guaranteed money so that good competitiors will have the incentive to travel a reasonable distance. 2) Gives guys that may not have a very good chance to win 1st or 2nd but a pretty good chance of 3rd or 4th the chance to win something. 3) Still provides the opporunity for the best in each class to win the cash boxes too (so they could in essence win big) 4) Ensures that you will not take a financial loss on running the tournament in case of a lower than expected turnout.
You need 1 and 3 to happen to entise the best pullers to want to travel to your event.
You need 2 to happen so that you get a big turnout (since you're not buying trophies I'm assuming)
You certaintly want to make sure that 4 is taken into account before you make any guaranteed payout based on measures that you ultimately cannot directly control (actual turnout)
Hope this helps.
Then with your sponsor money say $1000
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Post by Brent Norris on Jun 22, 2009 15:30:56 GMT -5
Everything, except the weight classes, sounds great..
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Post by Anthony Snook on Jun 22, 2009 15:34:57 GMT -5
Corey IMO there are more "middle of the road guys" than superstars. Give them more of a chance and IMO more will come. I think you would draw more people with the cash boxes and giving keys to the top few than just to first. You may lose the star of the class but pick up several to replace him/her. JMO Good Luck.
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Post by Kelli Nelson on Jun 22, 2009 15:59:04 GMT -5
Any ladies classes?
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Post by Kevin Harris on Jun 22, 2009 18:42:37 GMT -5
Need to change the weight classes and add a ladies class, depending on when it is I might be able to get a few guys and girls there
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Post by Corey "FLASH" Miller on Jun 22, 2009 18:46:22 GMT -5
ok first off i am running 100% free since this is a non profit deal it will have to be like that now i no that means i wont be getting the refs and all that but i can in turn put more money out there. so lets say i do 5 weight classes like 154 176 198 230 231+ both hands and i give first and second money right only so lets say 100 and 50 in all weight then with 100% of entry fees i will make say 10- 20 cash boxes which i figure if i could get 100 people at 25 bucks a pop thats 2500 in cash boxes say they break down like so( 1200 800 550 250 175 100 100 50 50 50 25 25 25) that makes 13 cash box prizes tickets for all weight classes and if yes if enough women were interested i could add wemon two probably just two weight both hands if anything. shoot what if i took the sponcer money an added to that list of cash boxes say i added a 200 a 300 a 400 and a 100 that would make 17 cash box prizes if that many people came which i dont see why not ticket for 1-4 u can pull as many weight classes as u could make weight for. what do u think of that
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Post by Corey "FLASH" Miller on Jun 22, 2009 18:47:57 GMT -5
the date would be in june something like 10-15 not sure what day it be on whatever satuday
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Post by Corey "FLASH" Miller on Jun 22, 2009 18:50:34 GMT -5
so 17 cash boxes rangeing from 1250- 25 sounds good to me i could also make it only allowed up to four weight classes so like 2 right 2 left if it matters bring up the odds a bit or only one each idk what u think?
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Post by Jeremy Plaster on Jun 22, 2009 18:51:26 GMT -5
I like the sound of all of these ideas...just not the right only pay out..But obviously I am a little biased lol
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