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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 5, 2009 16:44:42 GMT -5
I feel like Semerenko's business should be his own. And since no one who ever existed except for Christ is perfect than we should not judge. He played in a league thats supposed to be clean and he wasn't well he'll have to pay the consequences. But he competes against many athletes and leagues who are not tested so their lies his mistake.. you can't play in both fields at the same time but my Goodness their are an awful lot of pros who don't go to waf because their tested! To me this is a personal issue. I feel for the man as he will now forever be labeled when we all know dam well that hes not the only one!! I completely disagree. This was a known tested event and he took the risk and blew it. Also every armwrestler that he beat to that position got ripped off. You can take the medal and title away but you can't change the bracket and the men he beat. You want to juice for yourself and to get bigger then fine by me but if you are entering competitive sports and doing it then you are cheating not just your opponents but yourself.
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Post by Neil Pickup on Aug 5, 2009 16:47:11 GMT -5
I actually don't feel sorry for the guys who get caught juicing at EAF or WAF events and labelled as having been juiced up, if they in fact were. To me thats NUTS in the extreme, if the rules are live and let live then we are all Big Boys & Girls here if you juice & get caught doing it that your problem and it was your choice to juice up, tough crap dude as far as I'm concerned. Its not about judging anyone or not BUT ya can't have it both ways if your on the gear surely. You use it, it makes ya stronger, you have a better chance of winning, & there is also a chance that you will get caught, banned & yes labelled too. Risk & Reward its that simple isn't it. Everybody makes their own decisions, I'm not saying that everyone that juices is a B*stard (I have a number of very good friends that use Gear, some openly and some not and with varying degrees of success) I actually have more respect for those who are both open about it and only fight fire with fire ie. they don't pull at EAF & WAF events. Doing Juice doesn't make you a bad person but it also doesn't make you any less responsible for your actions either, nor does it make you more deserving of pity I just don't get that at all. I'd be more inclined to feel sorry for a lad or girl who stayed clean and never QUITE reached their goal of a European or World Championship title despite their hard work & endeavour due to being defeated by an athlete who was juiced up. No Soap Box, No Drama BUT lets have some real perspective on a reality of our sport for Fluffs sake Cheers Neil
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Post by Neil Pickup on Aug 5, 2009 16:51:39 GMT -5
Myself & Leonard were actually venting at the same time there it seems me in a London Hotel Lobby & him from deepest Darkest USA............ BUT Basically same message, if ya juice up and ya go to EAF & WAF to pull & ya get busted, banned & labelled. Fair Enough, learn to live with it. END OF. Fat Lad Esq.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 5, 2009 16:57:01 GMT -5
Myself & Leonard were actually venting at the same time there it seems me in a London Hotel Lobby & him from deepest Darkest USA............ BUT Basically same message, if ya juice up and ya go to EAF & WAF to pull & ya get busted, banned & labelled. Fair Enough, learn to live with it. END OF. Fat Lad Esq. ;D
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Post by Jeremy Plaster on Aug 5, 2009 17:07:15 GMT -5
I think it's great that the Europeans do doping tests..I can't wait until we can afford to do so here.
Leonard are you going to be reffing ROTN??
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Post by Jeremy Plaster on Aug 5, 2009 17:09:06 GMT -5
I actually don't feel sorry for the guys who get caught juicing at EAF or WAF events and labelled as having been juiced up, if they in fact were. To me thats NUTS in the extreme, if the rules are live and let live then we are all Big Boys & Girls here if you juice & get caught doing it that your problem and it was your choice to juice up, tough crap dude as far as I'm concerned. Its not about judging anyone or not BUT ya can't have it both ways if your on the gear surely. You use it, it makes ya stronger, you have a better chance of winning, & there is also a chance that you will get caught, banned & yes labelled too. Risk & Reward its that simple isn't it. Everybody makes their own decisions, I'm not saying that everyone that juices is a B*stard (I have a number of very good friends that use Gear, some openly and some not and with varying degrees of success) I actually have more respect for those who are both open about it and only fight fire with fire ie. they don't pull at EAF & WAF events. Doing Juice doesn't make you a bad person but it also doesn't make you any less responsible for your actions either, nor does it make you more deserving of pity I just don't get that at all. I'd be more inclined to feel sorry for a lad or girl who stayed clean and never QUITE reached their goal of a European or World Championship title despite their hard work & endeavour due to being defeated by an athlete who was juiced up. No Soap Box, No Drama BUT lets have some real perspective on a reality of our sport for Fluffs sake Cheers Neil Very well said Mr. Pickup. I agree with this exactly.
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Post by Neil Pickup on Aug 5, 2009 17:39:25 GMT -5
I meant every word Mr. Plaster & I'm glad you agree mate
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Post by Jeremy Plaster on Aug 5, 2009 17:40:28 GMT -5
When will we see you back in the States bro?
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Post by Josh Handeland on Aug 5, 2009 17:42:34 GMT -5
I'm really not too surprised to hear he failed a test... and yeah I don't feel sorry for him, I want to win WAF Worlds one day and I don't want to get beat by a juicer.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 5, 2009 17:43:35 GMT -5
I think it's great that the Europeans do doping tests..I can't wait until we can afford to do so here. Leonard are you going to be reffing ROTN?? Yes
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Post by Jeremy Plaster on Aug 5, 2009 17:44:11 GMT -5
I think it's great that the Europeans do doping tests..I can't wait until we can afford to do so here. Leonard are you going to be reffing ROTN?? Yes Good
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Aug 5, 2009 17:57:24 GMT -5
Until this sport starts testing more (at more events and randomly like Engin said) it will continue to be a joke and will NEVER be an Olympic sport! If you have ethics and will never go on the juice then you just can't compete against it!
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Post by John Parton on Aug 5, 2009 18:30:02 GMT -5
Leonard mentioned possibly the worst thing about this issue. It doesn't just change the top finishers, it changes the whole dynamic of each weight class in which it happens. Someone with great ability being put into the losers bracket the first round of a tournament of the caliber that the Europeans or Worlds is a definite bummer!
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Aug 5, 2009 19:52:36 GMT -5
Ok I said you can't play both fields if your juicing, theirs a crap load of it in our sport. We crap on the ones who are caught and puff out our chest collectively and point fingers. I did say he made a mistake by entering W.A.F. juiced but my Goodness people pay money to see juiced athletes run a 9.84 we pay to see a 70 homer season and well pay for the incredible Hulk to armwrestle and looks attract fans!. Want to eliminate juicing in the pros start making all pros pro cards and test quarterly! I'm a fan of Semerenko and i want to one day pull the man especially if his juiced to the tits!!
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Aug 5, 2009 19:58:26 GMT -5
And the reality of our sport is drum roolllllllllll please. We have athletes who test positive at waf and EAF events thats some reality!
Grippler out!
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