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Post by Josh Handeland on Aug 5, 2009 21:52:25 GMT -5
But Grippler, (assuming you are drug free) would you be a fan or Semerenko if you went to Worlds and he beat you... but you knew he was juiced?
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 5, 2009 22:02:58 GMT -5
I meant every word Mr. Plaster & I'm glad you agree mate I feel the same way Neil and it is happening sadly almost everywhere .. to some degree
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Aug 5, 2009 22:06:31 GMT -5
LOL Josh I pull Juiced guys and loose all the time! I'm used to it but their still human and I have beaten juiced guys so theirs no magic pill out their that improves technique! at least thats whats been told to me! I guess its like what I'm willing to do to win or not willing to do..Like I said personal descsion not an ethic or moral issue...JMO! I'm a fan Of Semerenko like I'm a fan of all the athletes who have competed t nemeroff Cup their all exciting and I like the atmosphere!!
assuming you are drug free...Well I have wanted to improve my Beach body lol!!
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 5, 2009 22:18:48 GMT -5
Leonard mentioned possibly the worst thing about this issue. It doesn't just change the top finishers, it changes the whole dynamic of each weight class in which it happens. Someone with great ability being put into the losers bracket the first round of a tournament of the caliber that the Europeans or Worlds is a definite bummer! Exactly, I could say a lot more about recent events here but wont, so dont ask . People finishing 3-5 places higher than they really would.. They know who they are when they read these post, but than 3 seconds later dont care... follow the $ trail, and big tournaments and supermatches, and the % go's way up. Heck some people only pull once or twice a year. Yeah its fun pulling people your 30% better than and 8 weeks later they can beat you
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Aug 5, 2009 22:58:47 GMT -5
Ya I think its obvious to everyone that he juices. Like Engin said, so do alot of other pullers. They aren't nearly as good as Arsen tho. He has good genetics and "help." After state this year im gonna be bulking on as much as I can. Probably going to take creatine and eat everything in sight. Would people say creatine is cheating?? Just askin. I know its waaaay different then juice. I see creatine as just a supplement though.
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Post by Andrew Fournier on Aug 5, 2009 23:00:53 GMT -5
Ya I think its obvious to everyone that he juices. Like Engin said, so do alot of other pullers. They aren't nearly as good as Arsen tho. He has good genetics and "help." After state this year im gonna be bulking on as much as I can. Probably going to take creatine and eat everything in sight. Would people say creatine is cheating?? Just askin. I know its waaaay different then juice. I see creatine as just a supplement though. Creatine is not a Steroid. Enjoy.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 5, 2009 23:11:27 GMT -5
Until this sport starts testing more (at more events and randomly like Engin said) it will continue to be a joke and will NEVER be an Olympic sport! If you have ethics and will never go on the juice then you just can't compete against it! Thinking that testing is holding us back from the Olympics is the true joke. Don't get me wrong, the testing should be done but for its own sake and not for the Olympics. We had a shot at getting in and we blew it.
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 5, 2009 23:31:06 GMT -5
Ya I think its obvious to everyone that he juices. Like Engin said, so do alot of other pullers. They aren't nearly as good as Arsen tho. He has good genetics and "help." After state this year im gonna be bulking on as much as I can. Probably going to take creatine and eat everything in sight. Would people say creatine is cheating?? Just askin. I know its waaaay different then juice. I see creatine as just a supplement though. creatine is not a drug, its natural substance and found in food like meat
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Post by Keith Dowdy on Aug 6, 2009 1:50:51 GMT -5
Until this sport starts testing more (at more events and randomly like Engin said) it will continue to be a joke and will NEVER be an Olympic sport! If you have ethics and will never go on the juice then you just can't compete against it! Thinking that testing is holding us back from the Olympics is the true joke. Don't get me wrong, the testing should be done but for its own sake and not for the Olympics. We had a shot at getting in and we blew it. Leonard I don't know much about this .When was this opportunity?
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 6, 2009 2:59:47 GMT -5
Andrew, can you be as brave about stating names from your own country as well? if yes then please be as bold as you can be to list all the names (that you believe using roids) from your own country as well with all your honesty and courage.if you do this then it will be obvious that your problem is with the steroids only and has nothing to do with a Russian beating an American last weekend. how come we never hear you saying similar things about any American puller right after they do something great? is that because all of the top Americans are always clean? or your balls are heavy only enough to mention names from overseas ? why not starting from your own ? maybe you are so right,no single top pullers from your country touches any roids and that is why you need to travel thousands of miles to accuse a Russian just proved you to be wrong about last weekend; I think Travis will actually hurt him...Travis is wayyyyy toooo much for Arsen, despite his lb. for lb. "bestness". Travis is WAYYY too BIG for Arsen. I don't want to see Arsen get hurt again. Didn't he seperate his bicep half a year ago? This is just my 2 cents, but this is silly. Travis will probably destroy him, maybe even injure him. we all can be wrong time to time,so dont make it any big deal.while they were here Travis didnt accuse Arsen for roid use,neither Arsen accused Travis for roids use. there is no single top armwrestler that is thought by the whole world, to be always clean.everyone thinks something about the top pullers and they also can write somewhere for the whole world to read that this or that top guy is juiced.i didnt say if you are right or wrong about your guess,i am not even discussing this.all i say is that would you enjoy a Russian to come on this board and accuse all or some of the top Americans including the legends for steroid use? would you even also join them about this accusation ? or is it about patriotism? when an American wins then "GO USA GO" even though if you believe that juicing may have been a factor in his win,but when a Russian wins then "you fu.king juicer".. again if your problem is about the steroids only then please start with the names from near you without hiding any single name by being as brave as you were when you made your first post on this thread. also is he the only guy that has sudden weight changes? he always dieted down from minimum 182 pounds to 165 and 171.then choosed to pull at 187.and we are not talking about someone who does these weight jumps at his 30s or 40s but between 17 and 22 years.once again i am not discussing about if your accusation is right or wrong just explaining that weight jumps at 30s and 40s should be harder than how its at 17-22 when you have high testosterone and hgh level .the problem is about posting on public forum as a sacrifice like he is the only one that you could guess.and these kind of sh.ts always come right after something like last saturday happen.just be objective Andrew,at least try to be.i think its wrong writing any American or Russian or Turkish or Slovakian etc name here concerning steroids without he is proven for using.why did you mention his name,is that because he is the only top puller in the world that you could guess to be roid user? or is that because he just beat Travis and you thought that Travis would destroy and hurt him? "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? "
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 6, 2009 5:02:50 GMT -5
, I want to win WAF Worlds one day and I don't want to get beat by a juicer. if you think that just because there is test at WAF you will not face anyone with juice then you are mistaking.not only in armwrestling but in all kind of tested strength sports the timing method is used.yes one cant be as strong with timing method as juicing till the competetion day but still you will feel something unnatural with some of your opponents without any doubt.also since we cant test every medalist but only go by the doping card pickers there have been pullers who come to the event by believing to pick the empty doping card.i am not accusing anyone,i am talking about the athletes who tested positive already.
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Aug 6, 2009 5:16:34 GMT -5
Well, now that we're on the subject once again...let me just say.... ARSEN IS A JUICIN MUTHA FU*KA!!!!! AND I DON 'T CARE IF I EVER MEET UP WITH HIM IN PERSON, BECAUSE HE'S A JUICIN MUTHA F*CKA!!!! Despite his genetic advantage he's going to end up like Artem Klimenko and I"m not going to spare one gasp when his medals are taken away. NOT ONE. I REPEAT....NO ONE....PUTS ON THAT MUSCLE MASS IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME. NOT EVEN MR OLYMPIA....ANY OF THEM. I may not be GREAT or even GOOD at this sport on a PRO level, but I know Cheaters....I know them well...and your intellectual capacity can't deny the fact that you're a f*ckin Cheater when it's clear as DAY. MY 2cents. Sorry for all I offended.... Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! EXCELLENT!!! ;D
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Aug 6, 2009 5:21:10 GMT -5
Because of the lack of drug controls in armwrestling, the sport almost encourages abuse!
How can you possibly imagine to be able to compete against such incredible beasts as a normal human being not on juice??!!...They're not only in another league, they're on another planet!!!
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 6, 2009 5:32:13 GMT -5
btw,it seems like some of you misunderstood my first post.starting from my first post on this thread i never defended Semerenko,who is tested positive.i have been writing about people who didnt tested positive but pointed as a steroid user.i am not discussing if this or that person is juiced or not,all i say is that maybe people who loves to accuse,should start from their own country pullers to list their juicers.
anyone who would like to list their thoughts about the juicers then please list from your own country first.if you arent brave enough to do this then please dont mention other country pullers.i wonder if somebody comes and mentions 10 top American guys to be juicers and people starts saying "excellent" about it as well or not.
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Aug 6, 2009 5:37:41 GMT -5
Thinking that testing is holding us back from the Olympics is the true joke. Don't get me wrong, the testing should be done but for its own sake and not for the Olympics. We had a shot at getting in and we blew it. Leonard I don't know much about this .When was this opportunity? Keith, It does't matter as I don't think armwrestling will EVER be an Olympic sport anyway!
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