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Post by Josh Handeland on Aug 23, 2009 11:17:53 GMT -5
Not true John you hit your peak speed at about 60m scientific fact. Supposedly it's physically impossible to keep accelerating after a certain distance because your body just won't do it? That's true but John's correct, the 2nd 100 of Usain's 200m would be and is faster than his 100 time because running the 100, (now these number may be off but this is what my high school coach told me) it takes the first 40 meters to reach full speed, the next 60 your running flat out, the last 20 in the 100 everybody slows down some but how much you slow down depends on how good your endurance is (pretty much nobody can even tell your slowing down it's a very small amount). So in the 200, Usain's first 40 meters would be acceleration, 60 flat out, the last 120 he'd be slowing down, but, very very slightly, so for the final 100 since he's already running and doesn't have to accelerate, he'll run it faster. Look at his time split, the first 50 meters of his 200 he ran in 5.6 seconds, the last 50 he ran in 4.75 seconds, so his 50 meters of acceleration took almost an entire second longer then the last 50 where he's not able to run 100% anymore (but close to it). I don't know of any sprinter who's last 100 of the 200 is slower than their 100m dash. Looking at Usain's split and looking at his last 100 meter, it was ran in 9.27 seconds, which is faster than his 100m WORLD record. Also in the final 100 f his 150 meter run he ran it in 8.70 seconds because he was already fully accelerated by the time he got to the final 100m. Same reason that in relays runners in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th legs always run faster than in regular sprints, even though they have to run 10 meters further (the first 10 meters being acceleration, then they get the baton and run the 100 or 200 meters and are already nearing full speed to start out). But WOW at Usain's times, and he's only 23 years old (just turned 23), I think he can break 19 seconds in the 200 if he keeps at it and get below 9.50 on the 100, and who's ever going to break those records?!?!?
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Post by Carey Nick on Aug 23, 2009 12:31:59 GMT -5
Just watched some highlight. The man is unreal.
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 23, 2009 17:06:39 GMT -5
I think we're seeing history unfold in front of us. It's like watching Phelps swim. They have to compare him to Mark Spitz because it's been that long since anyone was that good. (Props to Spitz)
When I was a little kid, the master of sprinting was Carl Lewis. Carl Lewis was incredible and he was actually a little more well-rounded than Bolt. With Bolt's height it is hard to believe he's strictly a sprinter. I'm sure somebody has tried him out on the long jump and hurdles by now, so maybe sprinting is his niche.
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Post by chrislydman on Aug 23, 2009 17:35:32 GMT -5
He ran a 45 sec 400 meters in HS......Wait and see, that record will fall
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Post by John Parton on Aug 23, 2009 20:06:06 GMT -5
He coasted through the last 10m in the 200. I was quite a sprinter when I was young, and have always been a fan of the sprint events. The first time I saw him I noticed he used a slight variation on the stride everyone uses, and told my wife he would definitely live up to his name of bolt! I think he will break the 200 record if he stays injury free. as far as the 40 goes, it is much more as yousay Chris of a practice thing, than pure speed. I ran a 4.3 in full pads from a football start in high school, but was far from the fastest 100 yard (they didn't do meters then) sprinter. Oh for the knees and ankles of my youth We had a good teacher though. Our assistant coach in football ran an 8.9 100 even after he was coaching
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 23, 2009 23:27:43 GMT -5
I was a good sprinter (for a white kid) in high school as well. One of my sprint coaches was Willie Davenport, who was a gold medalist at the '68 games in Mexico City. He taught me a lot. Even in his forties he was the best technical runner I've ever seen. Talk about smooth! When he ran his head did not even move up and down. I spent most of my time as a pole vaulter, and watching him run from across the field he looked like rushing water.
Then, just like now, I had too many irons in the fire and tried to be too many things all at once rather than focus on something long enough to be good at it. But I knew I wasn't going to be a runner past high school. I was moving backwards as a pole vaulter because bodybuilding was making me a lot heavier but I wasn't getting any taller or faster.
What's interesting about running is geography. Growing up in Virginia I was really fast for my district but as soon as we'd compete against teams from the Tidewater area we looked like farmkids goofing off. To this day, some of the world's greatest sprinters come from the tidewater / Hampton Roads / Norfolk area of Virginia. I don't know why that is. The next time you watch a track event on TV, listen to how many of the runners (even foreign runners) go to school there.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 24, 2009 15:24:24 GMT -5
Not true John you hit your peak speed at about 60m scientific fact. Supposedly it's physically impossible to keep accelerating after a certain distance because your body just won't do it? That's true but John's correct, the 2nd 100 of Usain's 200m would be and is faster than his 100 time because running the 100, (now these number may be off but this is what my high school coach told me) it takes the first 40 meters to reach full speed, the next 60 your running flat out, the last 20 in the 100 everybody slows down some but how much you slow down depends on how good your endurance is (pretty much nobody can even tell your slowing down it's a very small amount). So in the 200, Usain's first 40 meters would be acceleration, 60 flat out, the last 120 he'd be slowing down, but, very very slightly, so for the final 100 since he's already running and doesn't have to accelerate, he'll run it faster. Look at his time split, the first 50 meters of his 200 he ran in 5.6 seconds, the last 50 he ran in 4.75 seconds, so his 50 meters of acceleration took almost an entire second longer then the last 50 where he's not able to run 100% anymore (but close to it). I don't know of any sprinter who's last 100 of the 200 is slower than their 100m dash. Looking at Usain's split and looking at his last 100 meter, it was ran in 9.27 seconds, which is faster than his 100m WORLD record. Also in the final 100 f his 150 meter run he ran it in 8.70 seconds because he was already fully accelerated by the time he got to the final 100m. Same reason that in relays runners in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th legs always run faster than in regular sprints, even though they have to run 10 meters further (the first 10 meters being acceleration, then they get the baton and run the 100 or 200 meters and are already nearing full speed to start out). But WOW at Usain's times, and he's only 23 years old (just turned 23), I think he can break 19 seconds in the 200 if he keeps at it and get below 9.50 on the 100, and who's ever going to break those records?!?!? I didn't say his second would be slower Josh but he won't still be accelerating anymore but your views were correct. His second would be faster naturally because he is already running insteading of starting from a still position. The man is a Cheetah. I wonder if he could run the 400 also?
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Post by chrislydman on Aug 24, 2009 16:30:15 GMT -5
That's true but John's correct, the 2nd 100 of Usain's 200m would be and is faster than his 100 time because running the 100, (now these number may be off but this is what my high school coach told me) it takes the first 40 meters to reach full speed, the next 60 your running flat out, the last 20 in the 100 everybody slows down some but how much you slow down depends on how good your endurance is (pretty much nobody can even tell your slowing down it's a very small amount). So in the 200, Usain's first 40 meters would be acceleration, 60 flat out, the last 120 he'd be slowing down, but, very very slightly, so for the final 100 since he's already running and doesn't have to accelerate, he'll run it faster. Look at his time split, the first 50 meters of his 200 he ran in 5.6 seconds, the last 50 he ran in 4.75 seconds, so his 50 meters of acceleration took almost an entire second longer then the last 50 where he's not able to run 100% anymore (but close to it). I don't know of any sprinter who's last 100 of the 200 is slower than their 100m dash. Looking at Usain's split and looking at his last 100 meter, it was ran in 9.27 seconds, which is faster than his 100m WORLD record. Also in the final 100 f his 150 meter run he ran it in 8.70 seconds because he was already fully accelerated by the time he got to the final 100m. Same reason that in relays runners in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th legs always run faster than in regular sprints, even though they have to run 10 meters further (the first 10 meters being acceleration, then they get the baton and run the 100 or 200 meters and are already nearing full speed to start out). But WOW at Usain's times, and he's only 23 years old (just turned 23), I think he can break 19 seconds in the 200 if he keeps at it and get below 9.50 on the 100, and who's ever going to break those records?!?!? I didn't say his second would be slower Josh but he won't still be accelerating anymore but your views were correct. His second would be faster naturally because he is already running insteading of starting from a still position. The man is a Cheetah. I wonder if he could run the 400 also? Johnny, he ran the 400 in HS, too. His best race may BE the 400m, given he hasn't trained for it exclusively yet. www.runblogrun.com/2009/02/usain_bolt_runs_4554_in_jamaic.htmlMy guess is that he will own all 4 records at once(100/200/400/4x100)....maybe more!
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Post by Brian Bylbie on Aug 24, 2009 18:59:37 GMT -5
Very impressive runner indeed!
I hate to take anything away from the performance but my guess is there will be another "BALCO" scandal in 5-10 years.
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 24, 2009 20:08:13 GMT -5
Very impressive runner indeed! I hate to take anything away from the performance but my guess is there will be another "BALCO" scandal in 5-10 years. Sad but true. What's worse is it's never been proven to actually make anyone faster, unless there's been some development in that since the Ben Johnson ordeal. I think the pressure to be the best makes people risk it all 'just in case' it has a positive effect. I know many runners are on designer drugs and you'd have to be a fool to think it's isolated. Call me a cynic, but I doubt 10% of top Olympians are clean in the true athletic events where performance can be enhanced.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 24, 2009 21:09:30 GMT -5
He's a monster
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Post by Josh Handeland on Aug 24, 2009 21:17:38 GMT -5
I don't know about him breaking the 400 meter world record, it could happen maybe but he said he hates running the 400, that's why his last 400 meter PR was in 2007.
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 24, 2009 21:29:24 GMT -5
I think he could break it. I think he could do it easily if he tried. But the 400m does not have the cache that the 100m does. After all, the 100m champ is celebrated as the world's fastest man.
I keep bringing up Carl Lewis, because even though his records have been beaten he is still the best sprinter overall that the USA has ever had. But give Bolt his due, he's still a kid relatively speaking.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 24, 2009 21:32:58 GMT -5
Imagine that speed on a kickoff return.
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Post by Carey Nick on Aug 24, 2009 22:28:03 GMT -5
John, I agree with you about Carl Lewis. His records might be gone...But one of my all-time favs.
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