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Post by John Wilson on Nov 11, 2009 21:23:09 GMT -5
If you pay cash to amatuers or novices then what is their motivation to double class?
They'll pull amateur or novice anyway just because. The incentive needs to be there to make people pull ams or novice and also enter the pro class. From a tournament host standpoint you want to incentivize people to enter multiple classes. Losing a bunch of money on an event is a surefire way to make sure you never want to hold one again.
Pros can only enter Pro classes. So their incentive is to enter multiple weights. The more weights that pay out the more Pro entries you get. 20 pros in an event might pull three classes each if you count right and left hand. That's a lot of entries.
The amateurs will pull amateur and possibly enter the pro class just because they want to give it a shot. Having a cash prize is a good incentive.
What you don't want is a bunch of people showing up and only pulling one class. You get very little in the way of entry fees yet you are already committed to paying out all this cash as prize money.
I've pulled events throughout the years where you win a class and the host comes up to you and says, "Uhhh. hey man. We didn't get a whole lot of entries and, well, I know we said first place was $200 but we can only pay out fifty bucks."
That's BUNK of the first degree. That's how you make sure nobody ever pulls your event again.
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Post by Anthony Edens on Nov 12, 2009 8:28:37 GMT -5
Here's the deal, if I can get Leonard and Denise to host the tournament-they get all the entry fees anyway. I am tired of seeing the same guys pull each other in multiple weight classes-should have just had a supermatch and gotten it over with. A few years ago we watched Bill and Scott Ballinger pull each other in 4 different classes, strategically letting each other win. Similar thing happened at the KY Showdown, Max Moore and Doug Allen pulled about 10-12 times if you include both weight classes, right and left. From my experience the 242 weight class is completely unnecessary at any state level tournament. (For the record how many guys not named David Randall or Richard Lupkes actually has more than 242 pounds of muscle?) I personally think the cash box idea worked really well at the KY Showdown. They charged the same entry fee to Novice and Amateur because they had the same chance to win the cash boxes. As a result most classes had at least 6 pullers.
I don't think we can risk doing the Team Nationals Tournament this year, because I haven't tried to fund raise yet but I'm certain it ain't gonna be pretty. If I knew people would come for less money, I'd still do it. It's just that last year we offered pretty decent money-(Team PA walked away with a total of $2,400) and we still only mustered 2 1/2 teams.
What would it take for you to bring a team of 4-5 guys to a Team Nationals tournament?
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Post by TK on Nov 12, 2009 8:36:27 GMT -5
What would it take for you to bring a team of 4-5 guys to a Team Nationals tournament? (TIME) BETWEEN TOURNAMENTS / TO PLAN ON HAVING 4-5 GUYS TO TRAVEL. T/K |
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Post by Chuck Hoffman on Nov 12, 2009 9:08:48 GMT -5
From my experience the 242 weight class is completely unnecessary at any state level tournament. (For the record how many guys not named David Randall or Richard Lupkes actually has more than 242 pounds of muscle?) Wow..... that could be misunderstood ...... Do I need to call Jenny Craig  WTF |
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Post by Anthony Edens on Nov 12, 2009 9:25:05 GMT -5
All I meant by saying that was, (and for the record I am no lean 198-should be 165-176) From my experience the 242 pounder winner will usually win the whole tournament. I think the only guys who are really giving up much in the form of muscle mass are the true 220 guys. They may be giving up as much as 30-40 pounds of muscle. Just think about how rare it is to see a 275 pound man that you can describe as lean or ripped. All I'm trying to say is that most 242 pounders can fit right into the heavyweight class, that's why I think a 215-220 weight limit is a better cut off. A simple search of tournament results that have a 242 class will show the redundancy of results from the heavyweight class.
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Post by TK on Nov 12, 2009 9:25:58 GMT -5
From my experience the 242 weight class is completely unnecessary at any state level tournament. (For the record how many guys not named David Randall or Richard Lupkes actually has more than 242 pounds of muscle?) Wow..... that could be misunderstood ...... Do I need to call Jenny Craig WTF LMAO......260 PDS OF PURE FIRE & FURY HERE MYSELF! T/K |
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Post by Anthony Edens on Nov 12, 2009 9:29:27 GMT -5
From my experience the 242 weight class is completely unnecessary at any state level tournament. (For the record how many guys not named David Randall or Richard Lupkes actually has more than 242 pounds of muscle?) Wow..... that could be misunderstood ...... Do I need to call Jenny Craig WTF I don't know you Mr. Hoffman, you may fit into the Randall-Lupkes category, I'm just saying guys like you all are rare. |
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Post by Chuck Hoffman on Nov 12, 2009 9:33:21 GMT -5
I hear you and I do see your point just keep in mind 221 and up can get ugly, not uncommon to give up 50lbs or more across the table .....
either way I think you will put together something fun and everybody will just have to show up ..
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Post by Tim "Powerhouse" Parker on Nov 12, 2009 10:34:52 GMT -5
From my experience the 242 weight class is completely unnecessary at any state level tournament. (For the record how many guys not named David Randall or Richard Lupkes actually has more than 242 pounds of muscle?) Wow..... that could be misunderstood ...... Do I need to call Jenny Craig WTF LMAO......260 PDS OF PURE FIRE & FURY HERE MYSELF! T/K & chicken wings maybe. lol |
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Post by TK on Nov 12, 2009 10:56:36 GMT -5
LMAO......260 PDS OF PURE FIRE & FURY HERE MYSELF! T/K & chicken wings maybe. lol BEER & BUFFALO WINGS...  |
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WTF 
