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Post by Yuval Bar on Dec 6, 2009 7:16:08 GMT -5
john vs devon was not a local supermatch it was a major event no doubt i meant devon vs randall or devon-Tim Bresnan. i 2 belive that devon will beat evryone in the world in the shape he was against john exp - john but i think he have to prove it in a major events probably he can do it but u cant know it for 100% percent .john since the lost to devon accomplished much more than devon like devon wrote and i 2 belive it should influence the ranking.imagine that john all year go to tournoments big and small he won them all he is for sure hurt and warn out from all that devon is alot more fresh come to a supermatch with john and win it john need couple of mounts to be in best shape with no tournoments only training come ready with no injury if devon will still beat him than he is probably no1.
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Post by Yuval Bar on Dec 6, 2009 10:08:03 GMT -5
how about a mega supermatch best of 3. J.B,Devon,Cyplenkov,Liliev,Puskar,Randall no weight limit.at least 2 hours rest between matches. .everyone should fight everyones.no losing 6 wins=no1. 1 lost 5 wins no2 and so on. no way its going to happend ha
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Dec 6, 2009 23:38:31 GMT -5
When you convincingly beat half of the top 10 in the world in supermatches, plus beat #1 6-0, you are #1.
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Post by Marcio Barboza on Dec 9, 2009 12:59:23 GMT -5
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Post by Mike Gould on Dec 9, 2009 13:50:04 GMT -5
My self i am hopeing that a lot of the big guns makes it to my tourny in March. Many that ive spoken with have showed interest and said they would be there. Including Travis, Jerry Caderett, Gary goodridge, as well as John Id like to see a few more in there and see how every one does in tournement format rather than 1 on 1.
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Post by Felix Bürger on Dec 9, 2009 14:23:29 GMT -5
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Post by Alan Berget on Dec 9, 2009 22:02:39 GMT -5
number one doesn't necessarily mean the the man that can beat all. All those guys are well over 220 pounds. My opinion based on pound for pound would have to be Roman. Plus I have seen in the past Engin give some big guys fits all day long.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Dec 9, 2009 22:30:48 GMT -5
number one doesn't necessarily mean the the man that can beat all. All those guys are well over 220 pounds. My opinion based on pound for pound would have to be Roman. Plus I have seen in the past Engin give some big guys fits all day long. With this being said, along with all the other different opinions and views, should we believe that the man with the "higher average wins" should be considered the best? What determines the best? Numerous wins over a period of time? One on ones? Let's say "Person A" wins multiple times a yr at different tourneys and "Person B" stays home and trains religously for one person all year and whacks "Person A" in a supermatch but has nowhere near the amount of wins as 'Person A'. Is it fair that 'Person A' is going to numerous events all year possibly incurring injuries while 'Person B' is laughing all the way to Vegas as he attends less tourneys and trains for that "One" guy? Also supermatches leave minimal room for guessing on what your opponent is going to do, where tournament formats have so many nuances that make it more arduous to succeed. There has to be a definitive answer.
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Post by Ty Kissner on Dec 10, 2009 0:01:26 GMT -5
no there doesnt have to be a definitive answer, maybe one day but not today.....
Armwrestling today is in its infancy, much like wrestling of the 40'S and 50's.....
there is too much back door politics, and personal agendas to move from the stale state armwrestling has been in.
One an independant level armwrestling has grown in leaps and bounds, but from a globally universal perspective, its had about as much domestic growth as many third world countries....
Independant promoters have done an excellent job of making tournaments appealing to armwrestlers. But as one our sport has not moved in any direction, we are stuck in a cyclical pattern with no progression.
Waf needs to incorporate key individuals that can make this sport become a recognizable household name, guys with vision and a willingness to take armwrestling to newer and greater hights....
the biggest problem with waf is that it is not run as a business, more like a not-for-profit organization.
major sports are run as business entities, with corporate sponsors, and national and international advertisement.
I think WAF needs to sit down and look at itself and determine whether its current business model is where it needs to be or if it is out dated.......
look what MMA has becoming in the past 10 years, it started from nothing into the most successfull sport on the planet, what has armwrestling done...
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Post by TK on Dec 10, 2009 11:15:00 GMT -5
why would Devon "NOT" be ranked ahead of someone he "HAS" beaten?....seems easy to rank there. without Question he beat the best!....he deserves that spot.
TK
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Post by Alan Berget on Dec 10, 2009 20:40:58 GMT -5
but like Johnathon was saying, match-ups can make matches. Person A can beat person B and peron B can beat C, but C has A's number. I'm not saying that Devon is not number one. I am just saying that pound for pound and the number of great pullers that Roman has beaten time and again should be well respected.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Dec 10, 2009 23:27:45 GMT -5
I think Ty nailed it.
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