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Post by Jeremy Plaster on May 3, 2010 11:23:12 GMT -5
I disagree completely. I do NOT think it's vital in any way shape or form to flex your muscles or warm up your tendons. I think it's good for the body to have blood flowing..So I will do a few jumping jacks..maybe dance a little with my head phones on..walk around a lot...But I do not EVER allow my muscles to use energy that I may need in the event. Not at all. I rarely will even clench my fist. I stretch my arms and back really well but thats it. This is coming from a seasoned puller with much experience, mind you. A rookie should go through the motions for positional reasons... But IMHO, that's it. I used to warm up a lot. It never made me pull any better and I wore out faster. Since I stopped doing that I feel loads stronger and also more confident as I am not feeling my arm starting to swell at all. We all know what goes through our minds when that happens Biggest thing here is that EVERYONE is different. Like Jonathan Quinn and I. He is ugly and I am sexy as hell. Just different you see. What works for me does not work for him I wouldn;t play basketball with him though. lol JK buddy Hope some of the info through the thread has helped you some... Try several versions before practices and see how your body reacts to them all before you commit to anything new for a tournament. Make some sense?
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Post by Jimmy Van Orden on May 3, 2010 15:06:41 GMT -5
When you're my age, you better damn well warm up. Otherwise, you're likely to break a bone or worse (lol). But I remember pulling when I was in my early 20s...and never warmed up. Unfortunately, by not doing so I often strained my elbow, which lead to the early onset of arthritis in that joint. So...I warm up now and hope that I can still feed myself by hand in a few years (just kidding, of course). Jimmyvan
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Post by Mike West on May 3, 2010 16:08:03 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents, I always need a warm up, the more the better for me, some folks even say I get stronger the longer I pull. I think alot of it depends on how you train, and what kind of conditioning you do, if you don't train for endurance you will wear out easily, I also think it depends on your style, do you hit or catch (that would be me ;D) Would you go to the gym to max out on any lift and grab the heaviest weight you think you can do first? JMO
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Post by Marvin Berry on May 3, 2010 16:57:33 GMT -5
Everyone is different
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Post by Chris Kaufman on May 5, 2010 16:04:45 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents, I always need a warm up, the more the better for me, some folks even say I get stronger the longer I pull. I think alot of it depends on how you train, and what kind of conditioning you do, if you don't train for endurance you will wear out easily, I also think it depends on your style, do you hit or catch (that would be me ;D) Would you go to the gym to max out on any lift and grab the heaviest weight you think you can do first? JMO In a Russian Strength Training book I read, it has you do your heaviest set first and go down from there. I actually do this on all my big lifts. I'll do my first set at 90% max for 3 reps, then the second set at 80% max for 3. I do run and stretch before to get my blood pumping, but that's it. I've never hurt myself, and I've also noticed that my joints actually feel better whenever I revisit this type of training. As for armwrestling, I stopped warming up a few tournaments ago to see if it made a difference, and ended up doing much better. I might do a few pushups or dips and stretch a bit, but that's all. I've also heard/read that your power is actually decreased for a period of time after stretching, so I always give my muscles a bit of time to tighten back up after stretching.
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Post by Jeremy Plaster on May 5, 2010 19:48:36 GMT -5
^^^ Really?? I have never heard that about stretching decreasing strength for a period of time. This interests me a lot because I stretch A LOT before, and throughout the event. How long is power decreased for?
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Post by kyledarby on May 5, 2010 20:13:00 GMT -5
My father is in his 50's and plays ice hockey. He went to the doctor about a sports related injury. The doctor inquired as to if he was stretching before playing. He said yes. The doctor proceeded to tell him that stretching before is believed to cause some injuries that wouldn't otherwise occur if one didn't stretch. He then suggested studies are showing you're better off to stretch after then before. Not preaching this as truth but interesting none the less.
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Post by Mike West on May 5, 2010 20:35:30 GMT -5
Chris, as Marvin said, everyone is different. Also, the training you are doing with the heaviest weight first is not your max and it is controlled, do you only pull @ 90% when you get to the table, or does your opponent ease into it and not exceed your 90%? Just saying, you can't control the forces that are applied during a match, and that's when injuries can happen. As in my other post, it also depends on how you train, if you don't train for that endurance you won't have it in a tournament. Again, JMO
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Post by John Wilson on May 5, 2010 21:44:54 GMT -5
Devil's Advocate:
Do you pull better when you have taken no losses, or after somebody has stretched you out?
Warm good. Stretch bad.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on May 5, 2010 22:09:35 GMT -5
^^^ Really?? I have never heard that about stretching decreasing strength for a period of time. This interests me a lot because I stretch A LOT before, and throughout the event. How long is power decreased for? I heard this from one of the trainers at the gym. I searched a bit and found this article as well: www.elitesoccerconditioning.com/Stretching-Flexibility/DynamicStretchingvsStaticStretching.htmThere are few other articles as well. Most refer to Static stretching as reducing strength for about an hour afterwards.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on May 5, 2010 22:21:23 GMT -5
Chris, as Marvin said, everyone is different. Also, the training you are doing with the heaviest weight first is not your max and it is controlled, do you only pull @ 90% when you get to the table, or does your opponent ease into it and not exceed your 90%? Just saying, you can't control the forces that are applied during a match, and that's when injuries can happen. As in my other post, it also depends on how you train, if you don't train for that endurance you won't have it in a tournament. Again, JMO I agree that everyone is different. I think it also depends on your pulling style. You for instance have grinding hook matches, so I can see why you would prefer to warm up. I on the other hand go for an explosive hit, so I want to be as fresh as possible since it seems to me that the fast twitch muscles don't have as much gas. As for my training style, I actually train both for power and endurance. On all the major lifts, I do the following: 4 at 90% 4 at 80% 8 at 60% 8 at 60% 20 at 40% So for instance, today I did bench at 295, 285, 265, 255, 225. The percentages probably aren't perfect, but I don't really feel like doing math at the gym. ;D All the more isolated lifts I just do 2 sets of 20. I'm not saying that my workout is for everyone, but I've seen good strength gains doing this, and anyone that trains on the table with me will tell you that my endurance is good also. I also do A LOT more on top of all this, so we'll see how it all works out next weekend.
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Post by Mike West on May 5, 2010 22:26:30 GMT -5
Yes, I have had a few grinders ;D You going to Reno, if so will see you there
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Post by Chris Kaufman on May 5, 2010 22:32:51 GMT -5
Yes, I have had a few grinders ;D You going to Reno, if so will see you there Yep, I'll be there.
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Post by John Wilson on May 5, 2010 22:34:23 GMT -5
Chris,
The training method you use is what Mike Mentzer advocated for years. He called it the "Heavy Duty" principle.
When lifting in the gym I am a huge advocate for warm up sets. But for me personally, lifting in the gym has almost zero in common with the armrestling style I prefer. My entire goal in armwrestling is to have as little movement in my joints as possible. I want my muscles tight and as non-pumped as possible. The last thing I want is for them to stretched, pumped, and loose.
I would not advocate for any armwrestler with less than two or three years under his belt to go without a warmup of some kind. Better to lose than to get hurt. Everyone is different and each individual must learn to know when it is time to follow advice and when it is time to trust his own experience.
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Post by dixonglory on May 6, 2010 1:31:11 GMT -5
Chris, as Marvin said, everyone is different. Also, the training you are doing with the heaviest weight first is not your max and it is controlled, do you only pull @ 90% when you get to the table, or does your opponent ease into it and not exceed your 90%? Just saying, you can't control the forces that are applied during a match, and that's when injuries can happen. As in my other post, it also depends on how you train, if you don't train for that endurance you won't have it in a tournament. Again, JMO i support this view. warm ups dont involve efforts to exhaust u. u need to use 15-20% strength may be for 5mts and and 10to15minute before the match.imo. and as MIKE wrote in armwrestling you may be forced to use ur one rep max or u may be forced to do a negative[if u lose to slow strong puller]. u may not be able to do the explosion always. imo.
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