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Post by Brent Norris on Jan 7, 2011 0:36:22 GMT -5
I've concentrated on pull ups more throughout the years but I'm starting to think rows benefit us more. Using more of a pull up (or pull down) motion/pressure on the table seems to lead to more elbow injuries. What do yall think?
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Jan 7, 2011 9:11:16 GMT -5
Hi Brent, I'm not an armwrestler but I do these movements a lot and I have thought about this question a lot. For some reason I love analizing this type of things. In my opinion both should be done, and here's why: I think the Row (any type of horizontal pull) will strengthen the lats more in a range of motion more similar to armwrestling, so in this aspect I think it beats the pull-up. The downside of the row is that the elbow flexors do little work. Yes, in a row you actually flex your elbow joint, but after giving it some thought I realize the elbow flexes just because the forearm stays hanging perpendicular to the ground, holding the weight. All the power is really coming from the muscles that bring the humerus from vertical to horizontal. In other words: rows wont develop strong "curling" power or that "lock" that armwrestlers talk about. While the pull-up, specially the top half of the ROM, involves a lot of elbow flexors (which ones, it depends on what grip you use, supinated, pronated, or neutral). So in this aspect it beats the row for sure. On top of that, you will still have to keep your back muscles contracted while you do them so I think this one is great for AW'ers... weighed, that is. But, once again, I am not a puller and these are my own personal conclusions. I state them in this forum just to discuss, I am not saying I'm right or this is written in stone... just so nobody gets hostile or anything  |
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Post by Justin Mynatt on Jan 7, 2011 11:38:35 GMT -5
I'll go Rows for Hook and Dragging and Pull Ups for Top Rolling. Both using Thick Handles to work Hand, Wrist and Foreams.
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Post by Joey "TANTRUM" on Jan 8, 2011 4:26:04 GMT -5
Rows I do very little pull ups but then again I'm not the national champion  |
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Post by Florian Kellersmann on Jan 8, 2011 6:53:57 GMT -5
The downside of the row is that the elbow flexors do little work. Yes, in a row you actually flex your elbow joint, but after giving it some thought I realize the elbow flexes just because the forearm stays hanging perpendicular to the ground, holding the weight. All the power is really coming from the muscles that bring the humerus from vertical to horizontal. In other words: rows wont develop strong "curling" power or that "lock" that armwrestlers talk about. Hi Arturo, I think it depends on how you do the rows. When I do rows for aw strength, I don't let my forearm just hanging. I try to mimic armwrestling movement more by rowing the dumbbell more to the shoulder. It's not the typically bb style row. But it is the same as with curls etc., that for armwrestling some movement changes are helpful for more carryover to the table. |
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Jan 8, 2011 10:08:24 GMT -5
Florian, that actually sounds like a great idea and I never thought of that. It's like a way to involve the elbow flexors in the dumbell row, by rowing it to the shoulder, sounds pretty cool! I imagine a static contraction at that point would really mimic the possition on the table!
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Post by Justin Mynatt on Jan 8, 2011 11:21:21 GMT -5
I also like that Idea ! I'm going to do it on Monday, thanks !
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Post by Josh Dale on Jan 8, 2011 11:53:07 GMT -5
I like chest supported seated rows, specifically negs/holds. Hammer iso row works great for this and just pop on a Grip4orce handle and you're good.
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Post by Rick "Lummox" North on Jan 8, 2011 11:54:31 GMT -5
I do them (pullups) with myy wrist flexed as well!
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Post by Robert Miller on Jan 8, 2011 12:51:02 GMT -5
Pull-ups on 2x4's are great for all AW'ing muscles! Very tuff!  |
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Post by John Parton on Jan 8, 2011 23:08:34 GMT -5
Do both Brent. why have a weak area?  |
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