WHO BE ON STEROIDS?????

[mactelle]

I WONT POINT ANY FINGERS....BUT IN ALL SPORTS THEIR IS A PERCENTAGE OF STEROID USE AND OR OTHER ENHANCEMENT DRUGS.....HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE ARMWRESTLING SPORT DO YOU THINK TAKE THESE MAGICAL BEANSTOCK PILLS? HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD TAKE A PEE TEST ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY? THIS IS A THOUGHT THAT IS ON EVERYONES MIND AS THEY STEP IN TO COMPETITION...I JUST WANT TO HEAR SOME REAL ANSWERS...

[James Worke]

I agree that steroids are widespread thru all sports, includin AW. I know of a small CHRISTIAN college that 80-85% of their football team juiced & the coach knew it & worked around the randoms. Just imagine how it is at a BIG college & pro level athletes.

Ill test any day of the wk.....but also, if it werent illegal, id also be on them in a flash. Used properly, side effects are minimal if any. But it is what it is.

[mactelle]

Good comment James....I DOUBT MANY WILL RESPOND TO THIS THREAD...STEROIDS IN SPORTS IS LIKE ERECTILE DISFUNCTION IN THE BEDROOM,YOU KNOW YOU HAVE IT BUT YOU DONT TALK ABOUT IT...I WANT SOME FEELINGS, I WANT SOME PERCENTAGES, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE ARMWRESTLING WORLD THINKS...IN MY OPINION THE WHOLE WORLD IS ON ROIDS...IT MOTIVATES ME TO TRAIN HARDER....

[Tomas Micka]

I disrespect everyone who I believe is on steroids. I do not understand why some people still take photos of such a sick monster like Cyplenkov is. Why not to point fingers? Russia - almost nobody clean, everyone knows it. Arsen - naturaly looking arms? No.. Real world champion? Not for me. I would not shake hand with this guy. I remember him sending someone else to weigh-in at some European champioship. He was caught and disqualified. Steorids? No, of course, he is a man of honour! I am so sick of this guys and not taking part in any international event abroad any more. Same rules for everyone, this sucks. Lifelong prohibition for this bastards and everyone would reconsider his juicing.

[simon]

For me the most hypocritical thing about this entire discussion is how people have historically parsed what they have done into neatly rationalized piles on one side of the line or another. Each person always puts that line of right and wrong in a different place in order to keep most of their piles on the right side.

The simple facts are not so simple.

Steroids what are steroids? Well if you follow the WADA anti doping list, it is any performance enhancing substance short of Creatine and few other items deemed as herbs, or BCAA's etc.
By this definition virtually every testosterone boosting substance bought at any vitamin store anywhere, short of Trib...are all steroids, (and they are, only with other delivery mechanisms and chemical attributes not currently listed as illegal in the US for example).

or
You consider anything you can legally buy over the counter in the US without a prescription as not a steroid, but anything you cannot is then a steroid, thus taking a "if it is legal here it must be OK" approach to using it. (a very common position here in the US) Of course when we take into consideration that many other countries do not share the same laws as the US we myopically say that despite the fact that these US banned substances are legal in their country they are still cheaters for using them in their country.

How do we view people that used substances that are now illegal and known performance enhancers that were legal not too long ago? Cheaters or because it was legal in the US they are OK? You can try to debate me upon the strength of these substances, but as we all know in armwrestling being 5% stronger than your opponent is often the same as being 100% stronger, so dicing this up into those substances that make you only 5% stronger vs. the prescription ones has no value it is still performance enhancement obtained by chemical means.

I have said this many times but again, there was a substance out some time ago on the web called Superdrol, it was sold legally in the US for quite some time, the reason is was is because that substance was dropped from production back in the 50's and 60's in favor of another steroid therefore it was not available as a know substance when the government started banning steroids. Regardless go research it yourself it very much was a potent oral anabolic, not some watered down version of a steroid, it was the real deal. Virtually any substance that promises to increase your Testosterone is a manipulation of an illegal steroid, don't you ever wonder why these substances show up for a year or so, make a big splash in the market and then disappear? It is because they are performance enhancers flirting with or outright contrary to the banned list and the FDA steps in and tells the companies to quit making them or else. For a fact I will tell you that these GNC substances will fail a WADA drug screen.

I always seem to confuse people when I discuss this so for the record, I was a big buyer of GNC substances up until about 5 years ago I guess, all of that junk was wrecking my stomach so I stopped.

Generally as an athlete I don't care what people take or do, it is not my concern.

Having said that though when it comes to the sport as a whole and being responsible for aiding the sport, I believe most people want testing. I ran the testing at the WAF event and if history has proven anything there is some value in it, it is not a solution but there is some value.

I have a lab here in the states that does WADA standard testing, the cost is reasonable I have tested the lab already and I am working with the USAF board because I would like to start testing at the USAF Nationals this year. Certainly not all on the board agree with me but I think it can be done and more importantly I think the sport as a whole wants to do it.

So in parting on this novel I would be very careful what you take and use if you want to pull in the USAF.

[simon]

Jan 7, 2011 10:29:53 GMT -5 Tomas Micka said:

I disrespect everyone who I believe is on steroids. I do not understand why some people still take photos of such an sick monster like Cyplenkov is. Why not to point fingers? Russia - almost nobody clean, everyone knows it. Arsen - naturaly looking arms? No.. Real world champion? Not for me. I would not shake hand with this guy. I remember him sending someone else to weigh-in at some European champioship. He was caught and disqualified. Steorids? No, of course, he is a man of honour! I am so sick of this guys and not taking part in any international event abroad any more. Same rules for everyone, this sucks. Lifelong prohibition for this bastards and everyone would reconsider his juicing.

Strong stand.........Might I ask you what substances have you ever in your life taken or used for your advancement in sport and strength, I am not judging or calling you out, I am simply saying much like me I would bet most athletes have at some time in their past used an albeit "legal" performance enhancing substance bought from a vitamin store, so where does the line fall of OK and not OK?

[Ryan Davis]

i've been doin that crap since I was two. Why do you think its so easy for me to beat you Mac!!!! ;D

[Ryan Davis]

I would bet most athletes have at some time in their past used an albeit "legal" performance enhancing substance bought from a vitamin store!!

Thats funny you say that Simon. weren't you like 190 to 200 at one point? lol just giving you a hard time brother, no point intended! ;D ;D

Its easy to tell who is on pro hormones at least. Look back a couple years and watch video, there are certain people that pulled 154s and 176s that are pulling 242s now. And there are guys that went fro 240lbs to 280 to 290 in a couple months before a tourney. I'm not going to name names because i don't care, they are the ones that have to look in the mirror every day and know that they cheated for there titles. I will be honest if there was 100,000 dollars on the line and they did not test, and it was legal in this country, I can't say I would not use them, but NO trophy in my opinion is worth loosing your reputation and beating up your body like that!!!!IMO

[Shawn Lattimer]

Its really simple to tell who is on steroids. Everyone who can beat you, and everyone who is stronger or bigger than you-----is using steroids.

[Ryan Davis]

Its really simple to tell who is on steroids. Everyone who can beat you, and everyone who is stronger or bigger than you-----is using steroids.

LMAO

[mactelle]

Great comments guys...i love the honesty...its what we lack the most of in this World...in all the sports i have been apart of the most i have ever taken is creatine and amino acids...i gave that crap up like 6 months ago..its garbage and it doesnt do anything but piss me off and retain water...working out with iron and eating right does exactly the same thing any of those over the counter pills and powders do with even better results...i am lucky to have corn fed Iowa boys for uncles...i got some of there genes so that helps when i workout...im not cut up but im puffy....GNC and other vitamin stores are good for one thing...they sell you a product that ends up in the toilet....

[Adam Cook]

I've used in the past, long before armsport -- (never took a needle but that doesn't make a difference) -- and yes, it makes you feel like a greek god. I had no bad side effects, no horror stories, but I knew I was using a crutch. So I stopped but it was damned difficult psychologically to do so.

And I discovered that proper training is far, FAR more important than the juice in your blood.

So I dropped 40 lbs by eating right and hard work and now I'm pound-for-pound stronger than I've ever been in my life (although I'm not a very good technical puller yet.)

[simon]

Jan 7, 2011 11:32:34 GMT -5 Shawn Lattimer said:

Its really simple to tell who is on steroids. Everyone who can beat you, and everyone who is stronger or bigger than you-----is using steroids.

works for me...

[simon]

Jan 7, 2011 11:28:05 GMT -5 Ryan Davis said:

I would bet most athletes have at some time in their past used an albeit "legal" performance enhancing substance bought from a vitamin store!!

Thats funny you say that Simon. weren't you like 190 to 200 at one point? lol just giving you a hard time brother, no point intended! ;D ;D

I know I have heard that a few times, actually I was a GNC VIP back when I was smaller, when I went from being a walk around 154 to cutting weight to 165 I think my body composition at that time seems to show this well. Despite pulling 154 this past year I am not a 154 that is a very manipulated weight for my 41 year old body. At my biggest I was mid 180's maybe a bit higher I weighed 184 for the day I pulled 198's in reno and 184 again years later when I pulled 187 at Nats in Little Rock...

I walk around now eating normally at mid 170's I try to eat up to get to mid 180's then diet down for 176.

[John Parton]

I think the problem here is one of intent. If some are taking or were taking an over the counter supplement they may not have known that they violated the doping rules. When someone intends to cheat and play on a different field, IMO that is no different that saying one can move there elbow anywhere on the table, lift it, false start or do anything else to give them an unfair advantage. Everyone had the same opportunity to take over the counter supplements, so the choice was equal (with the exception of Juice Plus and protein powder they seem to have an adverse affect on my tendons even after trying something like an NO booster so I have never used anything else). The point is there have been and are those who try and cheat the system. Even in competitions in this country where anabolics are socially accepted most are illegal right now. Whether you agree with the law or not it is there and so breaking the law is cheating as there is still the intent to deceive. The truth is you can naturally greatly enhace you bodies natural testosterone production greatly by diet such as short burst of protein starvation after pounding yourself to the bone. This throws your body into shock and even for a not so young person like me (I will be 55 in a few weeks) testosterone production goes through the roof! You don't have to cheat to get great strength and your tendons will like you better if you make it yourself!