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Post by enginterzi on Mar 6, 2011 5:22:42 GMT -5
i agree with James,advantage was gained because he forced his body to his left side more than he could do it while holding the peg,therefore advantage was gained by this move allowed him to move his right shoulder farer.
btw,it is obvious that Arnolds do not use WAF rules (about humerus inclining down and table type ),so i dont think we should judge what we see by WAF rules.
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Post by Eric Guevin on Mar 6, 2011 6:35:09 GMT -5
Well I remember when Travis beat Alexey Voevoda a while back and everyone piss and moaned Travis cheated when his hand came off the peg and SKNX = SKANDENBERG FORUM SKANDENBERG I was reading a post how Micheal Todd's elbow was off and how an event like the Arnolds should go by WAF rules BLAAAAAAH BLAAAAH BLAAAAAH hate to say it but crap HAPPENS!!!!! THE MATCHS RICHARD, DENIS, TIM, JOHN, JERRY,TRAVIS,ETC. all these people have done it I've done it more then anyone....every sport fouls they are not seen until the video has been carefully viewed Denis beat richard fair and square period!!! Im really surprized the table didnt get ripped in half on that match Richard Lupkes WOW!!! Now did Denis have to buy two ticket on his flight over? J/K .. Micheal Todd great job!!!!! I think it's awesome how Micheal and Tim break there arms and hop right back in the ring of armwrestling. JMO E.Guevin
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Post by Tim Sears on Mar 6, 2011 6:58:42 GMT -5
Eric is right......blahh,blahh,blahh....enough with WAF rules,he should have ,could have...the refs didn't see. We have a saying here in the North East just pin his freaking arm and win the match.If you do that then you are the better,stronger,faster,arm wrestler. PERIOD!
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 6, 2011 7:18:46 GMT -5
i agree with eric about missing fouls.
those rules are created by World Armwrestling Federation which represants "ALL" armwrestling federations in the world,to provide fair competetions.that is why it is not called "NORTH EAST" but "WORLD ARMWRESTLING FEDERATION"
let me lift my elbow up in the air by a few inches and lets see how you beat me and become better,stronger,faster arm wrestler.but no whining about it,remember that you just pin his freaking arm and win the match.elevating your forearm by directly lifting your elbow from the pad,and elevating your forearm by touching the pad by tricep while inclining your humerus bone (and lifting your elbow from pad) have no differences.
why have the rules?
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Post by Tim Sears on Mar 6, 2011 7:30:28 GMT -5
You no Engin I have respect for you but you do an awful lot of complaining on here on rules and techniques. My next question to you is what are you going to do about it?You have over 11 thousand posts and nothing has changed or am I missing something? It is what it is.
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 6, 2011 7:44:45 GMT -5
we write on this board,not to change the things but voice our opinions.secondly,its obvious that you do not follow the armwrestling world closely (seems like your armwrestling world is north east) but WAF rule about going below table has changed after these discussions on this board.again you may not be following closely but these arguments happenned on after friday qualifications and M.Todd or George did not go below table on next day against the same opponents.
again 11.000 posts were not writtento change the things but trust me some learned from them.
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Post by Tim Sears on Mar 6, 2011 7:52:35 GMT -5
Also I don't need a lesson on WAF rules. I am a WAF ref , world and national as well for other federations.Maybe your missing the point you go out and do the best you can if a ref didn't see a three inch elbow foul so be it.If you lifted your arm up three inches in a match with me ,of cores I'm not going to win. What am I going to do about it ....what can I do about it?Be at Peace about it and move on to the next time we meet thats all.
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Post by Tim Sears on Mar 6, 2011 8:03:38 GMT -5
No I don't follow arm wrestling every day,minute,second like yourself but I try to in between my life of family,running a business,being a father a husband and running a football league ....not soccer. So I guess you are the reason the Arnold's was different the second time around with Todd and George.Congratulations.
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Post by Eric Guevin on Mar 6, 2011 8:09:26 GMT -5
No your right...but I guess we will need 4 refs now one watching each hand and elbow? I guess if you want to lift your elbow on purpose to win a match go ahead you will have to live with that knowing you had to cheat to win.... just like taking steroids people complain o this guy is taking this, that guys taking that!!! So what just have fun who cares its just armwrestling not THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS and they will have to deal with the injury's and the health problems later in life. If your going to worry about getting hurt stay off the table. One more thing people that sues someone for breaking there arm at a tournament just to make money just ruin it for everyone else... GET A LIFE!!! That is the whole reason why KURT HOWGATE will never again have a tournament in Maine and it really sucks....Can you blame him? People like Pete, Karen, Leonard, Bill, Collins,Travis,Kurt,Etc. spend there own time and money doing this for us... for what? too not even break even and get sued for thousands of dollars sounds like fun too me not so much! You sign the piece of paper for a reason and not so you can hire OJ's legal team to ruin someones life just to fill your own pockets! I'm sorry for changing the subject! E.Guevin
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 6, 2011 8:17:39 GMT -5
THE MATCHS RICHARD, DENIS, TIM, JOHN, JERRY,TRAVIS,ETC. all these people have done it I've done it more then anyone....every sport fouls they are not seen until the video has been carefully viewed Denis beat richard fair and square period!!! i agree with eric about missing fouls. Tim, you do not follow carefully.i already stated that i agree about a ref to miss fouls.its very normal thing,i have won and lost on ref's mistakes as well. my point is about the rules.as i mentioned in one of my earlier posts that having different rules that can create different results at int. events is a negative thing for our sport.JMO if the armwrestling countries from all around the world created a rule for ex. about humerus bone inclining down then it has a good reason to create a fair competetion.if i would pay George 10.000 dollars to bring his own hand to his losing pad while being below table without changing his shoulder position,could he do it? and do not tell me about how Anthony beat him etc because George's shoulder was not below table when Anthony beat him.my point has nothing to do with George but with anyone who goes below table. ps.to all George fans,no i am not jealous of George.i would choose Babayev who has not lost since 2001 (his last lost was against myself) if i would be jealous of someone.and he is the most succesful lightweight ever.if i had chance to choose between the armwrestling careers of mine and crazy george then i would not wait a second to choose my own career.
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Post by Tim Sears on Mar 6, 2011 8:19:26 GMT -5
whats The Young And The Restless?
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 6, 2011 8:20:39 GMT -5
No I don't follow arm wrestling every day,minute,second like yourself but I try to in between my life of family,running a business,being a father a husband and running a football league ....not soccer. So I guess you are the reason the Arnold's was different the second time around with Todd and George.Congratulations. no Tim,who am i to be taken seriously while someone like you is around?
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 6, 2011 8:26:12 GMT -5
No your right...but I guess we will need 4 refs now one watching each hand and elbow? I guess if you want to lift your elbow on purpose to win a match go ahead you will have to live with that knowing you had to cheat to win.... i guess i need to write with big letters to help ppl understand that i agree about refs mistakes are normal things. hmm if lifting elbow is cheating then you are actually saying that going below table and lift your elbow while inclining your humerus down,is cheating? or are you saying that elbow lift is cheating only if you do this without going below table?
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Post by Eric Guevin on Mar 6, 2011 8:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by Eric Guevin on Mar 6, 2011 8:29:04 GMT -5
Sorry Engin I read it wrong! I apoligize! E.Guevin
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