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Post by Jacob Hale on Jul 24, 2011 11:25:59 GMT -5
WOW gotta eat my own words a little bit here. I predicted Devon 6-0. When MT got behind his hand and pressed, he BLASTED Devon! Very impressive. Makes me kind of wonder now how Devon would do against a really good flopped wrist presser. Anyone come to mind?
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2011 11:34:41 GMT -5
. Makes me kind of wonder now how Devon would do against a really good flopped wrist presser. Anyone come to mind? if it was only about the flopped wrist shoulder pressing then Michael would have done it right away.he tired Devon with his back hanging first then applied his fresh shoulder pressing.but you are right that Devon did not look so great at that point.i always thought that if John held Jerry that long of time then with the endurance that Devon has he would win against Jerry once he stops him.but i have a little doubt about Devon's explosiveness to stop Jerry.if i would bet then my money would still be on Devon against Jerry on 6 rounds.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2011 11:39:47 GMT -5
yes this was what i meant..an early attempt of shoulder pressing ended up with Devon levering his hand to unable Michael's shoulder press.
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Post by Jacob Hale on Jul 24, 2011 11:49:33 GMT -5
. Makes me kind of wonder now how Devon would do against a really good flopped wrist presser. Anyone come to mind? if it was only about the flopped wrist shoulder pressing then Michael would have done it right away.he tired Devon with his back hanging first then applied his fresh shoulder pressing.but you are right that Devon did not look so great at that point.i always thought that if John held Jerry that long of time then with the endurance that Devon has he would win against Jerry once he stops him.but i have a little doubt about Devon's explosiveness to stop Jerry.if i would bet then my money would still be on Devon against Jerry on 6 rounds. That is a great point Engin. I agree, Devon didnt look great when MT got behind his shoulder at all. I to think if Devon can stop Jerry's press hit and hold it like John did, that Jerry stands 0% chance of winning a 6 round super match. But after seeing this it would not surprise me if Jerry presses Devon to the pad on the go the first 2 or 3 matches.
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Post by Tommy Russell on Jul 24, 2011 12:11:43 GMT -5
MT takes the "Crazy George" to a whole new level. I saw one pic and he was facing the table but it looked like his chin was lower than the table. It's crazy ( no pun intended ) that his arm don't just snap in two.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 24, 2011 12:13:38 GMT -5
if it was only about the flopped wrist shoulder pressing then Michael would have done it right away.he tired Devon with his back hanging first then applied his fresh shoulder pressing.but you are right that Devon did not look so great at that point.i always thought that if John held Jerry that long of time then with the endurance that Devon has he would win against Jerry once he stops him.but i have a little doubt about Devon's explosiveness to stop Jerry.if i would bet then my money would still be on Devon against Jerry on 6 rounds. That is a great point Engin. I agree, Devon didnt look great when MT got behind his shoulder at all. I to think if Devon can stop Jerry's press hit and hold it like John did, that Jerry stands 0% chance of winning a 6 round super match. But after seeing this it would not surprise me if Jerry presses Devon to the pad on the go the first 2 or 3 matches. If Devon were to pull Jerry, he would/should pull Jerry differently from the beginning of the match, then having to "counter" it from being out of position to defend it during the match, like with MT...Like Devon did with Dave Randall
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 24, 2011 12:14:26 GMT -5
I was just telling what happened. Others can take care of the judging.. I wouldn't judge George for pulling like he does either. UH, I know.....
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2011 12:17:13 GMT -5
If Devon were to pull Jerry, he would/should pull Jerry differently from the beginning of the match, then having to "counter" it from being out of position to defend it during the match, like with MT...Like Devon did with Dave Randall agreed,it may be very risqy to try to pin Jerry right from the start.appearently he has the most horse power when it is about pressure.
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Jul 24, 2011 12:26:57 GMT -5
I think Devon figured out how to pull thru Todds unorthodox style in 456. Along with Michael running out of gas. Should we start calling him crazy monster Michael Todd now? Parts of those matches looked exactly like a George match!
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Post by Charlie Minell on Jul 24, 2011 12:30:12 GMT -5
I was just telling what happened. Others can take care of the judging.. I wouldn't judge George for pulling like he does either. UH, I know..... Glad to hear that!
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Post by Robert Miller on Jul 24, 2011 12:49:39 GMT -5
Awesome battle for sure... I saw rd.6 on YouTube & it appeared Mike ran outta gas as stated earlier as it was over pretty quick. Let's see how Jerry fares....
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Post by Bob Brown on Jul 24, 2011 12:59:58 GMT -5
Round 1 Mike won in a war with a normal shoulder roll. He had his wrist.
Round 3 Mike won in a war. After Devon had total control of Mikes hand and wrist, Mike was able to get behind his hand with a flopped wrist and press for the win.
All of Devon's wins except for the 6 rd were wars with TR and patiently getting control of Mikes hand and wrist then finishing.
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Jul 24, 2011 13:01:45 GMT -5
Ok, Michael Todd will surely be stronger than how he was at Arnold's, no doubts about it, but I doubt that Michael would be MUCH stronger than his Arnold's shape, he was in a very great condition on that day and he already was about 128 kg of weight... so IMO 6-0 or 5-1 for Devon. Best result Michael can achieve is a 2-4 JIMO (winning the last round or the last two for a matter of endurance, but considering that also Devon almost has the same endurance of Michael, I will not be surprised if Devon manages to win all the rounds 6-0). If Michael wins this challenge I will be VERY surprised and very happy for him because he is a great warrior and NOBODY trains and prepares harder than him!!! I was right about my prediction in terms of numbers "Best result Michael can achieve is a 2-4", but I was really WRONG about what I expected from Michael!!!!!!!!! It seems that he currently is in a really better shape than Arnold Classic!!!! He has improved a lot his hand control!!!! I'm really astonished about Michael winning 1st and 3rd round gaining the hand advantage (or at least not completely losing it) against Devon, I would have bet on Devon having full hand control in every round without problems, but I was wrong!!! I think that the most significant change that Michael has made in his way of pulling is to try to use more back pressure (I mean lat pressure, can I say this? ) to maintain a closer angle in his side of the table, and to try to pronate more his wrist trying to gain the hand advantage. I already understood it, but surely I wasn't expecting such a HUGE gain in terms of hand control by Michael!!! Now I really wonder what the hell Michael did to train his forearm's pronators in the last months!!!......... What else can I say, as I already stated I'm very happy that Michael won 2 significant rounds in a very impressive way, I admit that I underestimated Michael's chances to improve a lot from Arnolds to now (Engin didn't make my same mistake... ), so congratulations to Devon who proved again to surely deserve his N.1 spot , but big CONGRATULATIONS to Michael who really surprised me with his huge gain!!!!! Michael, as you told me in person in Italy last january, now I want to see you facing Pushkar at Worlds in Kazakistan!!!! Good job my friend, super impressive performance!!!!! and good luck for your next tournaments, now I want to see you in the World Top 3-4 soon!!!!
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 24, 2011 14:58:28 GMT -5
If Devon were to pull Jerry, he would/should pull Jerry differently from the beginning of the match, then having to "counter" it from being out of position to defend it during the match, like with MT...Like Devon did with Dave Randall agreed,it may be very risqy to try to pin Jerry right from the start.appearently he has the most horse power when it is about pressure. You beat Jerry or for that matter any shoulder roller OR tricep presser like John and Ron did at Mohegan Sun...And NOT doing it by setting up to take his/their wrist, like a "HAND"wrestler does....... Devon CAN do it that way!
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2011 15:32:07 GMT -5
if i am not mistaking John and Ron beat him with half forearm supination to block his flopped wrist pressing.but it looks like Jerry has been stronger since that time.the things are changing with bitter experiences..
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