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Post by enginterzi on Jul 28, 2011 2:29:12 GMT -5
my 6 rounds supermatch format list would be;
1- 2006 John
2- 2004 Alexy
3- 2011 Devon
4- 2011 Pushkar
5- 2011 M.Todd
JMO
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Post by Neil Pickup on Jul 28, 2011 2:31:15 GMT -5
Neil I respect your opinion and your efforts promoting this sport, but you should not say; Top Eastern European Pullers laid down for Alexey & HAMMERED into the U.S. Pullers throughout the day! Watching Alexy pulling Pushkar you can tell there is no play. ACTUALLY in truth there is A LOT of myth & legend surrounding what went down at the Zloty Tur. John wasn't in great shape at all he only weighed 94kg WITH JEANS ON and was RUINED by the time he got to Alexey. Plus all the Top Eastern European Pullers laid down for Alexey & HAMMERED into the U.S. Pullers throughout the day. Devon would definately EXPLODE the Myth over Six Rounds right now. As would THE CURRENT ALL NEW "MONSTER MIKE", Andre Pushkar in current Top Shape & also "THE GINGERDRED MAN". Also for info, the John Brzenk that Devon was able to defeat over Six at ARM WARS "DEEP WATER" was ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT QUESTION far stronger than the battered version that Alexey pulled in 2004. The John that pulled Ultimate Vegas in 2006 would have HANDEDLY levelled the Score Vs. Alexey.........maybe Vs. Devon too although the later would be FAR TOUGHER over Six Rounds. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE !!! I commentated all day & I reffed the match between John & Alexey. John was SMOKED at that point & out of the strap he didn't handle Travis as easily as many people seem to think. Devon is not a normal man he is a FREAK, the Man doesn't get tired like a normal man, he is Strong in ALL positions and has the weapons to counter almost every style. I genuinely believe that time may prove that Devon Larratt is the most complete Super-Heavyweight in the History of the Sport, we will see Cheers Neil Neil I respect your opinion and your efforts promoting this sport, but you should not say; Top Eastern European Pullers laid down for Alexey & HAMMERED into the U.S. Pullers throughout the day! Watching Alexy pulling Pushkar you can tell there is no play. Hi Roland, I really don't understand why you feel I shouldn't make a statement which is factual, try reading it whilst having a bisuit and see if it makes it any sweeter sounding Whatever their reasons for doing so, that is exactly what happened, the European lads were openly talking about it backstage prior to matches. I ref'ed matches & commentated matches all that day and witnessed it first hand throughout, it happened, END OF. I am not trying to discredit Alexey, he is a friend & one of the best Super-Heavyweights of all time but using the 04 Zloty Tur as a measuring stick from which to deduce that he was invicible and that the Top 2011 Supers would have no chance against him is fundamentally flawed in my opinion. The truth of the matter is that various circumstances influence events & athletes performances & most of the men on Engin's list when performing at their individual peak would have the ability to defeat the other athletes on the list given the right set of circumstances. It would depend ON THE DAY would be the most accurate evaluation of things in my opinion and MOST IMPORTANTLY if you guys are SERIOUS about Ranking top Armwrestlers, then wake up & realize that the Main Draw format is simply not an accurate system on which to base Rankings. Only 1 on 1 competition over multiple rounds can truely determine an accurate Ranking for any specific period of time Cheers Neil
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 28, 2011 2:40:28 GMT -5
i would pick Alexy 4-2.yes Devon has better endurance than anyone else.he had incredible endurance even when he lost 2-4 to Taras but he lost last 4 rounds in a row.it was because of the strength difference that tired him out.the name of the game was explosiveness and when the difference is much and you fight in a bad position then you spend much more than your opponent is spending.but Alexy is not as quick as Taras to finish the match, while Alexy keeps his shoulder close to his hand unlike Taras who armwrestles without using joint.it is not that easy to beat someone who stays solid behind his hand,with a dead wrist press.JMO
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 28, 2011 2:44:17 GMT -5
Only 1 on 1 competition over multiple rounds can truely determine an accurate Ranking for any specific period of time 100% agreed but not sure if that should be 6 rounds.my opinion maximum 5 rounds would be a better idea.if you wanna create a possibility for tie then 4 rounds.IMO you dont need to beat someone 4 rounds (in best of 6) to prove that you are better unless you agreed to pull in that condition.5 rounds is the best.
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Post by Neil Pickup on Jul 28, 2011 2:50:07 GMT -5
So Neil, where would you put the 2004 Voevoda on Engin's list of the 10 best over the last decade? I'm very interested to know. Thanks. Hi Anthony, As I stated earelier mate, in my opinion the reality is that "on the day" is usually critical. I think that Alexey would fair very well against most men on the list over Six Rounds or one however over Six Rounds I feel that he would not be ahead of John or Devon & I am not 100% convinced that he could just man handle a current top form Jerry or Mike over Six either. I believe that at their best the matches 1 on 1 over Six rounds would probably be much tougher than people anticipate. Before anybody even goes down the road of Voevoda Vs Mike the last time, realize that the Man who came to Manchester this weekend was a different as John was between 2004 Zloty & 2006 Vegas, FACT (& I know the "MONSTER" pretty well). Styles make Matches & over Six Rounds I would not bet against Devon, having said that over 1 or 2, I may well do Cheers Neil
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Jul 28, 2011 8:10:46 GMT -5
Thanks for your replies Engin and Neil!
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Post by sethkardos on Jul 28, 2011 17:19:41 GMT -5
How many years did Voevoda arm wrestle? Is that a factor in his skill vs the legends?
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Post by Josh Handeland on Jul 28, 2011 21:15:13 GMT -5
Josh,maybe you were not deep in armwrestling when Matt was in his best shape but then he was really strong.i would not put them in that top 10 list,that is why i did not. You're correct, I was not around armwrestling at all when Matt was smashing arms... just wondered how you thought he would do vs. Lupkes or Randall... that's all
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Post by rolandkovalenoks on Jul 28, 2011 21:50:09 GMT -5
Neil I respect your opinion and your efforts promoting this sport, but you should not say; Top Eastern European Pullers laid down for Alexey & HAMMERED into the U.S. Pullers throughout the day! Watching Alexy pulling Pushkar you can tell there is no play. Neil thanks for the reply. I am new to armwrestling world and I am not comparing pullers just because I don't know enough. All I meant to say is Pushkar gave Alexy a good match, at least it appeared that way watching video. And yes I am happy that people like you, Mazurenko and a few more are working so hard to promote this sport. Without all of you it would back in to the pub or the kitchen table!! Hi Roland, I really don't understand why you feel I shouldn't make a statement which is factual, try reading it whilst having a bisuit and see if it makes it any sweeter sounding Whatever their reasons for doing so, that is exactly what happened, the European lads were openly talking about it backstage prior to matches. I ref'ed matches & commentated matches all that day and witnessed it first hand throughout, it happened, END OF. I am not trying to discredit Alexey, he is a friend & one of the best Super-Heavyweights of all time but using the 04 Zloty Tur as a measuring stick from which to deduce that he was invicible and that the Top 2011 Supers would have no chance against him is fundamentally flawed in my opinion. The truth of the matter is that various circumstances influence events & athletes performances & most of the men on Engin's list when performing at their individual peak would have the ability to defeat the other athletes on the list given the right set of circumstances. It would depend ON THE DAY would be the most accurate evaluation of things in my opinion and MOST IMPORTANTLY if you guys are SERIOUS about Ranking top Armwrestlers, then wake up & realize that the Main Draw format is simply not an accurate system on which to base Rankings. Only 1 on 1 competition over multiple rounds can truely determine an accurate Ranking for any specific period of time Cheers Neil Neil thanks for the reply. I am new to armwrestling world and I am not comparing pullers just because I don't know enough. All I meant to say is Pushkar gave Alexy a good match, at least it appeared that way watching video. And yes I am happy that people like you, Mazurenko and a few more are working so hard to promote this sport. Without all of you it would back in to the pub or the kitchen table!!
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Post by Neil Pickup on Jul 29, 2011 4:32:13 GMT -5
Hey no worries Roland, Pushkar has also improved a great deal in the last two years and I believe that right now he is a huge threat to anyone. Have a good weekend mate & thank you for your kind words Cheers Neil
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Post by TK on Jul 29, 2011 19:40:52 GMT -5
well Alexey pulled Mike 4 yrs ago...... WOW!
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