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Post by James Worke on Aug 3, 2011 18:03:02 GMT -5
Ok guys.... I need the expertise of my aw friends. I lost to the same guy twice last wk end from a flopwrist press. The first match i tried to toproll thru him, couldnt get it done. The 2nd matchup i was using my hit to try to get him over enuf to finish him, that didnt work either. Im still learning, and learning when to apply what. Can u guys watch my losses & tell me what i mite coulda done differently......
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Aug 3, 2011 18:12:03 GMT -5
First thing. You need to pull him away from his body more. You hit too much side-ways so he was able to catch you.
Second thing. When he goes into a limp wrist position, curl your fist towards you. This will make his hand point towards you and will make it very hard to press. His fingers should be pointing toward you like you're going to give him a five.
This is just from a Toprolling perspective. It's kind of hard to explain, but I hope it makes sense.
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Post by James Chancey on Aug 3, 2011 18:30:41 GMT -5
James, I'm not sure how much side pressure you have but if you set up a little lower in his hand his wrist can't flop and he's screwed then . You might try the front of the pad posting up with huge side. That is if you have that kinda side pressure. JMO it works for me
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Post by James Worke on Aug 3, 2011 18:48:00 GMT -5
That made perfect sense chris, thanks, i just need to practice it so i can apply it when needed.
Mike, yea he was kinda inexperienced, i thought it shoulda got stopped at one point cuz the ref kept warning him, regardless he outweighed me by 50 or 60lbs & was hard for me to handle. Obviously....lol Thanks for the compliment mike, daves brought me a long ways from where i was a yr ago.
James, i will try that in practice & see how it feels. My sidepressure is decent at this point, nothin special. My hit pulls me thru in most cases, but i gotta change that for sure, cuz that was my last novice tournament. Im opens from here on out.
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Post by Bob Brown on Aug 3, 2011 19:39:33 GMT -5
To much to type
Assuming you could still take his wrist in the straps.
start looking at the 1:30 mark
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Aug 3, 2011 19:50:44 GMT -5
To much to type Assuming you could still take his wrist in the straps. start looking at the 1:30 mark Exactly. Another thing EVERYONE should watch is how John turns his body and faces his hand to catch the press. He and Travis both did this when they pulled Jerry. This takes all the pressure off of your elbow and will keep your elbow from getting jacked. I popped the tendon in my elbow catching the wrong way and couldn't pull for months. What I was talking about with the rotation of the hand is what John's doing at 2:08. Usually this is too painful on the other puller and you can pull him down, but Sergiy is a beast, so John had to come in with the press to finish. The thing with a press is that most guys can only accomplish it at a certain angle or path. Pulling them out of that angle is crucial. |
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Post by James Worke on Aug 3, 2011 20:11:40 GMT -5
Awesome video for explanation guys !!!
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Post by TK on Aug 3, 2011 20:40:31 GMT -5
This was a case of him giving his hand, waiting for you to wear out.
Like someone said already, lower your grip where part of the bottom of your hand is feeling the pressure of his arm and will allow to control his arm and hand, and catch him and control him.
Of the Jerry C copycats with the press I line up low and toproll after they've hit , which actually at that point they are stuck in their move and allows YOU to control them...
At practice get someone to randomly flip thier hand on you till it's conquered.....
My son and I would pull 30 or more times after my workout and I'd ask him to randomly flip on me so I could face it a lot... Haven't lost to that since....
TK
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Post by Rick Laton on Aug 3, 2011 22:00:42 GMT -5
I think Chris has the right idea. If his fingers are pointing at 3 o'clock (From his perspective), he can use all his side pressure. If you can rotate his hand and make his fingers point to 12 o'clock (From his perspective) he loses a TON of side pressure.
Once I get his hand, another thing I like to do is to NOT pull out on his fingers (like you are trying to slip). I will push DOWN. In other words, try to make his finger tips touch his own forearm about half way to his elbow. It puts a TON of strain on his wrist and he won't last long. Basically the only thing he can do is come toward you to try to hook you and then you just press him straight sideways when he does.
I would set up for him the same way I would someone who likes to shoulder roll.
BTW, we pull a LOT alike (Except for the hit). I don't know if that is a compliment or a slap in the face. You will get him the next time I feel sure.
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Post by James Worke on Aug 3, 2011 22:21:32 GMT -5
I got lots of homework to do at practices. Thanks guys.
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Post by Robert Wimbley on Aug 4, 2011 0:19:03 GMT -5
A hook beats a flop....in your first match you were in control but you gave it up because you didn't stay tight with the table and he shoved you farther out of position....second match you jerked way too much when you hit to the side you gave him everything you worked for back. Stay tight and in control at all times even if you lose that will help you keep from getting injured. If you like to top roll against a guy that flops apply some side pressure before the ready go to keep his shoulder out of his move and post up get some pressure on his fingers when he hits you will have hand on top position, one of two things will happen 1. He wont have any power behind his hit because of the side pressure you applied to keep his shoulder out which should give you a easy pin. 2. Or he slips grip under your hand, get in straps apply the same pressure as before and you will have complete hand control he will have no where to go. Hope some of this information helps, God bless.
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Post by kyledarby on Aug 4, 2011 0:48:08 GMT -5
James both matches you put him in a defensive position. You were hitting to much. You could direct your hit back and sideways. In my opinion if you did that and posted you could have attacked his fingers and won. If you can get out on an opponents bicep and keep their shoulder in front of their hand they can't execute a press.
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Post by James Worke on Aug 4, 2011 7:46:43 GMT -5
I do prefer to toproll, my hook is still underpar. I have been working on the back then sideways hit but still have a ways to go. Thanks for everyones input, its helpin alot. Keep it coming guys
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Post by Travis Berggren on Aug 4, 2011 10:24:07 GMT -5
i like to put my elbow to the front of the pad and keep him from dumping his wrist by blocking him with your wrist and go in a high hook
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Post by James Worke on Aug 4, 2011 10:49:10 GMT -5
The first matchup was the first time id actually ever seen bubba hall pull, so didnt know what to expect, just did my thing, and didnt readjust very well. You guys have give me alot to work with. The second match was actually the first time ive tried to repeatedly hit, why, im still not sure of that one..... still at the bottom of the mountain climbing.....
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