Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Aug 29, 2011 19:31:37 GMT -5
Hello Aw-Friends 
,
Unfortunately there happened a lot of misunderstanding and false conclusions between Engin Terzi and me to say the least!.
Sometimes things like this happens, but i will not ignore it cause there is no conflict from my side at all and it would be better to try to solve and learn from it together..cause i learned so far that every potential problem contains a chance of possible "development" in it also! but burning bridges is to easy and is clearly not what i am looking for at all!.
As i wrote already here under this thread:
www.northeastboard.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=22772&page=4.
I want to answer it ASAP (that i try right now) with good intentions separately to the original thread, cause things that suddenly came up there had nothing to do with the original thread there and are off-topic but not insignificant.
First i want to thank everybody that told me their view on this via PMs and emails and are supporting a better understanding for and between all Armwrestlers of our big and strong community!. (Feel free to share your productive thoughts or other good sources for further education of athletes & coach's )
@engin: I really hope that we can solve this..you make a big mistake about me from the 1 day i joined the Board but anyway if i realize during any conversation or the following conversations..based on "good and reproducible cases" that i for one made a mistake somewhere on the road i will admit and ask honestly for apology..People that knows me, knows that for sure!. In my life i am the only one that can change my attitude and you are the only one that can change yours if needed.(BTW: i can not answer so quick so thanks for patient and remember always that thinks could get lost in translation always but i will be honest and direct to you everywhere...but please if possible read it all with less rapid emotions involved and answer me then....thanks)
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To not just make an another vicious circle that no one needs i prefer to come with a little toolbox at the begining (to read) for all of us that is open for everybody to add more to it!. This way we can not only offending each other like it happens to often in the past but talking/wanting a attitude change on the other hand...No.. we would/could really work each for themselves and together to make a better understanding and better behavior toward each other for tomorrow for every athlete and coach and expert possible.
That way our energy is not lost and we (everyone at every level) could play an important roll for our future athletes and the armwrestling itself.
We can still fight hardcore on the table and talk controversy for fights
;D and fire those fights up...this is self-evident and you my friends know, that i am for big fun and entertainment for sure...but i think respectful and productive athlete behavior is necessary on the board on the other hand also for sure.
There is a lot of good things in the www. here are just some good introduction links to some points around this subject to start with for everyone that is interested in this things that will be useful on the road:
www.brianmac.co.uk/ethics.htm
www.brianmac.co.uk/iaafethics.htm
portal.unesco.org/education/en/ev.php-URL_ID=2223&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
www.appliedsportpsych.org/resource-center/coaches/articles/good-sports
And about EQ or EI not IQ:
www.unh.edu/emotional_intelligence/
www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newCDV_59.htm
helpguide.org/mental/eq5_raising_emotional_intelligence.htm
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Okay Engin....here we go step by step in to it!.
Just an example of a complete misunderstanding and unnecessary blow-up afterwards and how it this time starts:
I wrote this:
This is a very good question ...thanks for asking our opinions on this Engin.
Here are my reasons why i think that way:
1- Because you/we have the utmost respect for john, we can not place the only person (Devon Larratt) that won so dominant against John finally (No matter how and why).And in fact never lost in a battle after that day (No matter in witch frequency he fights even though we all wish a higher fight-frequency and over-sea work too)
Engin understands it for some reason (could be a possible translation or similar thing) like this:
1- Because you/we have the utmost respect for john, we can not place the only person (Devon Larratt) that won so dominant against John finally (No matter how and why).
AK,when did you read that i said because i have utmost respect for John i said this.please discuss with sense.
I thought ...hmmm ;D
...okay he didn´t got my point so i wrote this even though i was very surprised how you can even take it that way and why you behaving like that..so i decide to wrote you this:
AK,when did you read that i said because i have utmost respect for John i said this.please discuss with sense.
Please...What??... ;D
...No where Engin!.You had different reasons and other have similar or different reasons for the general "utmost respect" of a lot of people for JOHN B.worldwide but that was not the point i tried to say!.
This had to be a really bad translation problem otherwise i don´t know how you can take it that way!. Just because you don´t understand what i meant doesn´t mean that i am writing this things without Sense. .Maybe you should try to ask before judging my sense!.I doubt that you even can Judge my Sense based on this..really... ;D..Not only because how you are answering to me sounds with less sense.BTW: why are you judging me so quick anyway ?? (it is really fantastic how you are able to do that) ;D ;D...Please ask before judging.
I was not disputing or discussing something about you I was happy that you asked us/others on it.. it was just one of my first opinions why i said No on this Thread!. You really got it out of the context what i meant...
I will give it a try: In my 1-reason in my post above i meant that we all (at least a lot of person if not all) have a utmost respect for John B. (No matter based on what personal reason) and because of that we all should accept the final winner (for a longer period of time) against John Brzenk 25 Years of domination (we all know that John B. was not the "perfect storm as he can be" that day) so to give the final winner (Devon Larratt) an extra special credit for being the man (until proved otherwise) gives John B much more active credit at the same time even so he is not competing right now it means that he still (..this is for the man..the Armwrestling legend John B. if he is reading this..who knows ?!) is an active benchmark in that context even now.Other point under my reason Nr.1 was that Devon never lost (right handed) since also.
There is definitely some sense to think about behind this if you give it a chance to understand and it has nothing to do with what you wrote or not wrote and of course how you will decide or not decide to act in the end...We appreciate your asking anyway.
I really hope you understand my 1.point how i meant it now better!.
We should always staying respectful in a eye-height position with each other during a conversation.And this is the only way to do a good conversation IMO! between Athletes whether unbelievable beginner or an unbelievable legend.
We will see what happens...your ranking is pretty reasonable to a lot of people that i was talking to so far anyway...Keep up the good job Engin. Thank you!.
Have a Nice day Engin
Have a Nice day everybody
A.K
I was pretty sure that if you give it a factual try to understand, then there should be no misunderstanding about what i actually meant there..[glow=red,2,300]BUT[/glow]...for some very strange reasons you still came up with this and even adding a word into my post that i never wrote and never meant look here:
are you not the one who said " just because you have utmost respect for John we can not place Devon ...." ?
so you are the one who misjudge my post.
To answer it here to you: No, i never said that and no where meant that the way you understood it and i am not misjudging your post and i never meant "Just because" i meant "because" and that means a complete different context. "because" means something else (like i described enough above that you totally not understanding & ignoring so far) and it is of course accurate to say: that the word just because would give the whole meaning of the sentence a different direction in that context.But i could not even think to write such a thing as a "reason" to make a point.. even if i would try...
So I never thought something like that, here you are clearly taking it wrong and if you look at it clinical enough you can really see that you done wrong to me I am still not mad at you cause i have a strong peace inside but You just see me or things just the way you want to see them and are often offended for no reason. I hope you realize and change this before stepping too quick to offending and disrespecting others that have no bad intentions and never disrespected you!.
Then here you go further to start with totally unnecessary things and later on blow up behavior that had nothing to do with the misunderstanding itself, here just an quick example (i left the worse ones for now very consciously ) :
BTW who are "WE"? are you the spokesman of the board ?
No i am not the spokesman of the board. But i am an Athlet of the Board that loves armwrestling and paid my due for it already. And i surely can at least say "We" in the name of all my students. AAMOF i am a good and respected coach in Germany at least on the other hand for sure.No matter if you know or you don´t know about it so far. You accepting me or not doesn´t change anything for the people that really know me and supporting me.
You Engin are not allowed to determine atleast for me what i should do or say and what i am or not am..and on the other hand you are way out of line on this so far.
This has to be enough for now to mark a line with what intentions i came in to this.
I will answer to all your other false and bad accusations and questions soon enough but my time frame is limited for now...thanks for patient and i wish everybody health and success!.
And for you Engin i really wish the best "Peace" in life...no matter what happens...and how inappropriate you had behaving to me so far.If you give me enough time you will realize that you see me completely wrong..the answer is easier than you think til now!.
with best regards to all my Aw-friends
A.K
, Unfortunately there happened a lot of misunderstanding and false conclusions between Engin Terzi and me to say the least!.
Sometimes things like this happens, but i will not ignore it cause there is no conflict from my side at all and it would be better to try to solve and learn from it together..cause i learned so far that every potential problem contains a chance of possible "development" in it also! but burning bridges is to easy and is clearly not what i am looking for at all!.
As i wrote already here under this thread:
www.northeastboard.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=22772&page=4.
I want to answer it ASAP (that i try right now) with good intentions separately to the original thread, cause things that suddenly came up there had nothing to do with the original thread there and are off-topic but not insignificant.
First i want to thank everybody that told me their view on this via PMs and emails and are supporting a better understanding for and between all Armwrestlers of our big and strong community!. (Feel free to share your productive thoughts or other good sources for further education of athletes & coach's )
@engin: I really hope that we can solve this..you make a big mistake about me from the 1 day i joined the Board but anyway if i realize during any conversation or the following conversations..based on "good and reproducible cases" that i for one made a mistake somewhere on the road i will admit and ask honestly for apology..People that knows me, knows that for sure!. In my life i am the only one that can change my attitude and you are the only one that can change yours if needed.(BTW: i can not answer so quick so thanks for patient and remember always that thinks could get lost in translation always but i will be honest and direct to you everywhere...but please if possible
read it all with less rapid emotions involved and answer me then....thanks)****************************
To not just make an another vicious circle that no one needs i prefer to come with a little toolbox at the begining (to read) for all of us that is open for everybody to add more to it!. This way we can not only offending each other like it happens to often in the past but talking/wanting a attitude change on the other hand...No.. we would/could really work each for themselves and together to make a better understanding and better behavior toward each other for tomorrow for every athlete and coach and expert possible.
That way our energy is not lost and we (everyone at every level) could play an important roll for our future athletes and the armwrestling itself.
We can still fight hardcore on the table and talk controversy for fights
;D and fire those fights up...this is self-evident and you my friends know, that i am for big fun and entertainment for sure...but i think respectful and productive athlete behavior is necessary on the board on the other hand also for sure.There is a lot of good things in the www. here are just some good introduction links to some points around this subject to start with for everyone that is interested in this things that will be useful on the road:
www.brianmac.co.uk/ethics.htm
www.brianmac.co.uk/iaafethics.htm
portal.unesco.org/education/en/ev.php-URL_ID=2223&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
www.appliedsportpsych.org/resource-center/coaches/articles/good-sports
And about EQ or EI not IQ:
www.unh.edu/emotional_intelligence/
www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newCDV_59.htm
helpguide.org/mental/eq5_raising_emotional_intelligence.htm
**********************************
Okay Engin....here we go step by step in to it!.
Just an example of a complete misunderstanding and unnecessary blow-up afterwards and how it this time starts:
I wrote this:
This is a very good question ...thanks for asking our opinions on this Engin.
Here are my reasons why i think that way:
1- Because you/we have the utmost respect for john, we can not place the only person (Devon Larratt) that won so dominant against John finally (No matter how and why).And in fact never lost in a battle after that day (No matter in witch frequency he fights even though we all wish a higher fight-frequency and over-sea work too)
Engin understands it for some reason (could be a possible translation or similar thing) like this:
Aug 10, 2011 18:06:51 GMT -5 @enginterzi said:
AK,when did you read that i said because i have utmost respect for John i said this.please discuss with sense.
I thought ...hmmm ;D
...okay he didn´t got my point so i wrote this even though i was very surprised how you can even take it that way and why you behaving like that..so i decide to wrote you this:Aug 10, 2011 18:06:51 GMT -5 @enginterzi said:
AK,when did you read that i said because i have utmost respect for John i said this.please discuss with sense.
Please...What??... ;D
...No where Engin!.You had different reasons and other have similar or different reasons for the general "utmost respect" of a lot of people for JOHN B.worldwide but that was not the point i tried to say!.This had to be a really bad translation problem otherwise i don´t know how you can take it that way!. Just because you don´t understand what i meant doesn´t mean that i am writing this things without Sense.
.Maybe you should try to ask before judging my sense!.I doubt that you even can Judge my Sense based on this..really... ;D..Not only because how you are answering to me sounds with less sense.BTW: why are you judging me so quick anyway ?? (it is really fantastic how you are able to do that) ;D ;D...Please ask before judging.I was not disputing or discussing something about you
I was happy that you asked us/others on it.. it was just one of my first opinions why i said No on this Thread!. You really got it out of the context what i meant...I will give it a try: In my 1-reason in my post above i meant that we all (at least a lot of person if not all) have a utmost respect for John B. (No matter based on what personal reason) and because of that we all should accept the final winner (for a longer period of time) against John Brzenk 25 Years of domination (we all know that John B. was not the "perfect storm as he can be" that day) so to give the final winner (Devon Larratt) an extra special credit for being the man (until proved otherwise) gives John B much more active credit at the same time even so he is not competing right now it means that he still (
..this is for the man..the Armwrestling legend John B. if he is reading this..who knows ?!) is an active benchmark in that context even now.Other point under my reason Nr.1 was that Devon never lost (right handed) since also.There is definitely some sense to think about behind this if you give it a chance to understand and it has nothing to do with what you wrote or not wrote and of course how you will decide or not decide to act in the end...We appreciate your asking anyway.
I really hope you understand my 1.point how i meant it now better!.
We should always staying respectful in a eye-height position with each other during a conversation.And this is the only way to do a good conversation IMO! between Athletes whether unbelievable beginner or an unbelievable legend.
We will see what happens...your ranking is pretty reasonable to a lot of people that i was talking to so far anyway...Keep up the good job Engin. Thank you!.
Have a Nice day Engin
Have a Nice day everybody
A.K
I was pretty sure that if you give it a factual try to understand, then there should be no misunderstanding about what i actually meant there..[glow=red,2,300]BUT[/glow]...for some very strange reasons you still came up with this and even adding a word into my post that i never wrote and never meant look here:
Aug 11, 2011 3:23:21 GMT -5 @enginterzi said:
A.K,are you not the one who said " just because you have utmost respect for John we can not place Devon ...." ?
so you are the one who misjudge my post.
To answer it here to you: No, i never said that and no where meant that the way you understood it and i am not misjudging your post and i never meant "Just because" i meant "because" and that means a complete different context. "because" means something else (like i described enough above that you totally not understanding & ignoring so far) and it is of course accurate to say: that the word just because would give the whole meaning of the sentence a different direction in that context.But i could not even think to write such a thing as a "reason" to make a point.. even if i would try..
. Aug 11, 2011 3:23:21 GMT -5 @enginterzi said:
what makes no sense is that you to think that i thought Zloty winner should take no 1 spot just because i have utmost respect for John.So I never thought something like that, here you are clearly taking it wrong and if you look at it clinical enough you can really see that you done wrong to me I am still not mad at you cause i have a strong peace inside but You just see me or things just the way you want to see them and are often offended for no reason. I hope you realize and change this before stepping too quick to offending and disrespecting others that have no bad intentions and never disrespected you!.
Then here you go further to start with totally unnecessary things and later on blow up behavior that had nothing to do with the misunderstanding itself, here just an quick example (i left the worse ones for now very consciously ) :
Aug 11, 2011 3:23:21 GMT -5 @enginterzi said:
BTW who are "WE"? are you the spokesman of the board ?
No i am not the spokesman of the board. But i am an Athlet of the Board that loves armwrestling and paid my due for it already. And i surely can at least say "We" in the name of all my students. AAMOF i am a good and respected coach in Germany at least on the other hand for sure.No matter if you know or you don´t know about it so far. You accepting me or not doesn´t change anything for the people that really know me and supporting me.
You Engin are not allowed to determine atleast for me what i should do or say and what i am or not am..and on the other hand you are way out of line on this so far.
This has to be enough for now to mark a line with what intentions i came in to this.
I will answer to all your other false and bad accusations and questions soon enough but my time frame is limited for now...thanks for patient and i wish everybody health and success!.
And for you Engin i really wish the best "Peace" in life...no matter what happens...and how inappropriate you had behaving to me so far.If you give me enough time you will realize that you see me completely wrong..the answer is easier than you think til now!.
with best regards to all my Aw-friends
A.K
...well i could show you posts double or three time this long