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Post by Devon Larratt on Sept 5, 2011 20:14:18 GMT -5
and i always wondered why Omarov was higher than Dennis, didn't Dennis beat him 2x after he lost the once in the same tourney?
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 5, 2011 20:22:47 GMT -5
the same reason that i did not rank Rustam over Pushkar and Denis after 2009 overalls ..
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 5, 2011 21:02:42 GMT -5
For some of us -the WAF is 10 days away from home, a 5000$ expense, and a medal, with zero compensation or recognition at the other end of it. i asked Arsen he said gets non for winning WAF and he comes with his own to WAF.WAF is not always held in Kazakhstan,as far as i remember there have been 9 WAFs held in N.America since 1990,including 2 out of last 3 WAFs (2008 Canada & 2010 USA). A rankings issue - for the past decade in most of the classes the WAF has been the heavy weighing placer for world rankings with a major exception - John Brzenk. He was globally recognized as the best of and on for many many years, regardless of WAF participation. was this a mistake? should his ranking have fell some time at the early 2000? that is a more difficult question than many people will want to swallow, and i will leave it at that. either way - the result is that pro tournaments and one on ones became the place to get the #1 ranking in the open weight division the first decade of this millennium, (and i think before that, but thats before my knowledge). Now.... well lucky me, i have that spot, and yes, i fully understand that 2 guys have very legit claims at this title - Pushkar and JC. Between the 3 of us i am sure it will get sorted out, Zloty is coming up, and i respectfully will plan on trying to pull the winner of the open class in the jan-feb time frame whether its Jerry/Puskar/Dennis or Arsen. John hunted the WAF winners all over the world to prove that he is above that title. and John may not have been the best for all 25 years but most of the last 25 years for sure.for ex. IMO Gary was the best between 94-96. many believe that WAF is the biggest tournament, supports the best talent, and is the best thing in AW. In my position i do not. I do agree it is the biggest tournament. I do not believe it supports the best talent. I know that it has been harder to win the Mike Gould Classic in the open division for many years (Held in a bar in oshawa) than win the worlds. I believe Zloty is a harder tournament to win. I could go on. The best thing in armwrestling is Armwars. that is the real deal, it is no side show, and no people "playing by themselves" That IS the leading edge of armwrestling BECAUSE millions of people are watching it. it does not get any simpler than that. my opinion is the rules are better, and it is closer to what most of us really believe armwrestling is than what the WAF has created. I can go on and on, but trust me, talk to anyone who has spent time in that league, and ask them if they believe it is the future. i do. millions of people watches WWe as well,but the real challenge can not be determined by the tv popularity.i do not believe that Mik Goulds had anythng near the competetion that WAF has just because there were a few heavyweights.Pushkar and Ferit alone enough for to provide the toughest competetion.in fact th ral talent is not amongst the big guys but mostly under 90kg and there is no competetion between WAF and others.best of Russians,Georgians,Ukranians are all at WAF.except a few matchs of armwars there is no world level pulling there.Rustam, Arsen, Zoloev, Pushkar, Ruslan, Denis, Ferit, Bulenkov, Gashevski, Kostadinov, Kovalchuk and tens of others never pulled Armwars." maybe" with your exception all th WAF winners would beat the armwars winners,and in best out 3 i would bet on Pushkar against you. when you look at WAF you will see the 90% of the best is pulling there and that is what i call talent.the doping test limits the out of controlled juice use that wee see in supermatches or pro events that have no control.this helps the real talent to play role over chemicals as well.
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 5, 2011 21:11:39 GMT -5
btw i love how people tries to discredit WAF while begging to have its champions in their events.we have a saying, the cat calls the meat which he can not reach "unclean" it is everyone's dream to have the athletes such as Rustam, Zoloev, Arsen, Pushkar, Roman and many others in their events if looking to determine the best.
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 5, 2011 21:15:14 GMT -5
and i always wondered why Omarov was higher than Dennis, didn't Dennis beat him 2x after he lost the once in the same tourney? Denis beat him in overalls.
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Post by Scott Wright on Sept 5, 2011 22:56:09 GMT -5
Engin, I think part of the point Devon is trying to make is that WAF really works great for governments who recognize arm wrestling. It's kinda what draws me to arm wrestling over seas. They seem more organized and have some sort of farm system to pull great talent. In the US (can't speak for Canada, but probably similar) it seems to have a little more head butting going on. And I doubt the government even knows pro arm wrestling even exists here, lol. Now, I know it's not like that for all countries over seas. But the ones that do have it, or that it works for, seem to be more professional/organized. JMO
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Post by Joe Rozbora on Sept 5, 2011 23:44:01 GMT -5
you a right to be wrong sometimes after 11k posts.... ....Im not agree with your ranking'...what is the based from? Devon beat all..Jerry beat John and Richard..Modestas beat Don 6-0..Ron beat Don and Richard..Don beat Kanai..Kanai beat M.Todd and tied 3-3 with Ron..Denis lost to John 1-5..M.Todd gave a good match to Devon..and so on.. what is your supermatch ranking opinion and what is it based on? no.1 Devon w Jerry,then Michael w Dennis and Pushkar
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 6, 2011 3:15:34 GMT -5
millions of people watches WWe as well,but the real challenge can not be determined by the tv popularity. . i do not want to be misunderstood about this part of my post.i only meant that tv does not automatically create the talent.not that Armwars have anything in common with the wwe show.Armwars is a tough & real event,and i also would like to participate it someday since the eurosport is the best Sports TV over here.
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 6, 2011 3:18:50 GMT -5
Engin, I think part of the point Devon is trying to make is that WAF really works great for governments who recognize arm wrestling. It's kinda what draws me to arm wrestling over seas. They seem more organized and have some sort of farm system to pull great talent. In the US (can't speak for Canada, but probably similar) it seems to have a little more head butting going on. And I doubt the government even knows pro arm wrestling even exists here, lol. Now, I know it's not like that for all countries over seas. But the ones that do have it, or that it works for, seem to be more professional/organized. JMO as i mentioned before,(Arsen was our guest in last week).i talked with him and he said they have 0 government support.
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 6, 2011 3:19:35 GMT -5
Devon beat all..Jerry beat John and Richard..Modestas beat Don 6-0..Ron beat Don and Richard..Don beat Kanai..Kanai beat M.Todd and tied 3-3 with Ron..Denis lost to John 1-5..M.Todd gave a good match to Devon..and so on.. what is your supermatch ranking opinion and what is it based on?no.1 Devon w Jerry,then Michael w Dennis and Pushkar according to which supermatch results?
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Post by Devon Larratt on Sept 6, 2011 7:21:46 GMT -5
ok, didn 't know that omarov was defeated in overalls, that cat and the meat thing - totally goes both ways If these guys aren't getting paid somehow, and going year after year... i think its crazy.
my prediction - if you do get to armwars Engin... you will become a believer.
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 6, 2011 9:05:54 GMT -5
ok, didn 't know that omarov was defeated in overalls, that cat and the meat thing - totally goes both ways If these guys aren't getting paid somehow, and going year after year... i think its crazy. my prediction - if you do get to armwars Engin... you will become a believer. Devon, Armwars is the most popular reprsantative of our sport because of eurosport.it was my dream to see armwrestling in olympics and on eurosport.the second one is fulfilled by Neil Pickup.dont get me wrong,we all should be thankful to Neil that we are over here able to say to public who has no idea of armwrestling being a sport ," you can watch armwrestling on eurosport on thursday nights".i just discuss about the difficulty level.th havywight guys in Armwars is top notch but not in other classes compared to WAF,EAC and Zloty. being on eurosport is a great honour over here! i would regret if i never compete an Armwars event and miss eurosport opportunity. i am tired of thinking about how you vs the eastern monsters would be,it needs to happen soon before people gets tired of thinking.part of me says Pushkar would flash you,while the other part of me says you would catch him and finish his endurance.maybboth will happen but in which round i do not know and that is the main question.
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Post by Devon Larratt on Sept 6, 2011 9:33:50 GMT -5
I also want the match to happen, hopefully jan-feb it will.
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Post by Scott Wright on Sept 6, 2011 9:49:44 GMT -5
Engin, I caught that video of Pushkar and Arsen. WOW, Pushkar looks crazy strong right now. Zloty should be very entertaining this year!
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 6, 2011 10:45:36 GMT -5
Scott,
i think the heavywights are becoming higher in quality and this is making it impossible for lighter guys to beat these guys in fresh matches.
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