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Post by Chris Kaufman on Sept 16, 2011 0:45:42 GMT -5
I'm curious, how does one become one of the elite? It amazes me when you see guys like Travis Bagent completely manhandling guys that are known to be very strong.
Is it a time/tendon/technique thing? Kind of like the difference between a decent Amateur and a random Joe?
Is it genetics?
Can anyone get to that level through TRUE hard work and/or (it can't be ignored) chemicals?
I don't do ANYTHING to be mediocre and know my hard work IS paying off, but when does someone get to that level and what does it take? Guys like Travis and John have been pulling since they were in the womb, so that makes sense. What about the rest of us late starters?
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Sept 16, 2011 5:26:18 GMT -5
I'd say genes has a big part in it..... Like pretty much every other sport.
You plav football.... A guy with a great training routine and ethic might cap out at a 4.5 40 time while some kid out of nowhere blasts that time with no training..... He is more gifted in that arena.
Genes won't make you a superstar alone, of course you can be a genetic freak and be relatively unsuccessful and hard work it the activator to the whole combination.
This sport is advanced enough where no matter the hand, strength or whatever gifts you have ...... No one will show up and dominate like you are describing.
Even denis' breakout...... Everyone thought he came from no where, but if you tracked him he was in tournaments years before taking losses to much lighter guys..... Not so superhuman.
I'll say it like this IF everyone was on the same "diet" and trained the same genetics is the only factor.
You think for all the money every athlete doesn't want to be usain bolt, Michael Jordan, Anderson silva, bill kazmier... Etc... The guys that walk these sports know exactly how these guys train, what they eat, habits, routines and whatnot.
You think for all the money, fame and glory people arent doing the exact same routines.... Maybe even more..... Yet we don't see people reaching that level..... Why not ?
Some people just have IT, if we could all be superstars there would be no such word.
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Post by Harold "Rattlesnake" Ryden on Sept 16, 2011 7:44:01 GMT -5
Juice!
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Post by Karen Bean on Sept 16, 2011 7:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by Herman Stevens on Sept 16, 2011 7:51:50 GMT -5
Plus? ?? ;D Juice made by the Jack Lalane juice machine?! |
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Post by Karen Bean on Sept 16, 2011 7:55:24 GMT -5
There are those people in every sport that are TRULY gifted. Then of course there are those others that are on the Vitamins R Us plan in every sport.
First of all - it really comes down to what you define as "Elite".
My opinion - for what it's worth - for most, there are 2 different Elites in our sport.
Those that are the gifted ones that have a natural ability to do extremely well
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Those that have been made so by videos and fans
To me, an Elite athlete is not only one who is proficient at his/her sport, but one who also exhibits behavior and attitude of someone who should be admired and respected.
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Post by Andy Freeland on Sept 16, 2011 12:57:45 GMT -5
I think its the combination of superior genetics AND superior coaching.
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Post by Derek Smith on Sept 16, 2011 13:39:26 GMT -5
i plan on being elite. Juice free! ;D
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Post by Joey "TANTRUM" on Sept 16, 2011 13:44:04 GMT -5
Well ill get one juice soon and if you see me dominating at the next nationals I attend then you can blame it on that
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Post by Bill Arnold on Sept 16, 2011 14:56:37 GMT -5
There are those people in every sport that are TRULY gifted. Then of course there are those others that are on the Vitamins R Us plan in every sport. First of all - it really comes down to what you define as "Elite". My opinion - for what it's worth - for most, there are 2 different Elites in our sport. Those that are the gifted ones that have a natural ability to do extremely well and Those that have been made so by videos and fans To me, an Elite athlete is not only one who is proficient at his/her sport, but one who also exhibits behavior and attitude of someone who should be admired and respected. Well said Karen, well said! There are different levels of elite - elite amateurs, elite within your state, elite within your class, and then unbelievable John Brzenk elite (lives up to Karen's definition.) You can be gifted, blessed with very responsive tendons, thick bones, abnormal hand, and a majority of fast twitch muscle fibers. But all those gifts can be surpassed by a less gifted, harder training individual. I think if you are gifted AND you train hard, you can become JB elite... if you are gifted and train a little, you can become state elite, if you are not gifted and train your a$$ off, you can become state elite - and all kinds of combinations. I do believe that the most important thing of all is that you train in such a way so as to make your opponents wrestle YOUR game. If you dedicate hard enough and have at least some of the "gifts" then you will achieve some level of "elite" status. |
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Post by Bill Arnold on Sept 16, 2011 15:00:37 GMT -5
And yes, unfortunately juicing does make some people seem elite - until their strength becomes too great for their supporting structure - and then you see the recurring injuries. Don't admire those that take the shortcuts - those are not elite athletes.  |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 16, 2011 15:16:19 GMT -5
I'm curious, how does one become one of the elite? It amazes me when you see guys like Travis Bagent completely manhandling guys that are known to be very strong. Is it a time/tendon/technique thing? Kind of like the difference between a decent Amateur and a random Joe? Is it genetics? Can anyone get to that level through TRUE hard work and/or (it can't be ignored) chemicals? I don't do ANYTHING to be mediocre and know my hard work IS paying off, but when does someone get to that level and what does it take? Guys like Travis and John have been pulling since they were in the womb, so that makes sense. What about the rest of us late starters? I think Mike Selearis is a better example...A man who competes and weighs anywhere from 180- 198lbs and not only "manhandles stronger" pullers in his class, BUT SUPERS too at his weight.... Or Supers like Pushkar or Ferit, who usually weigh around 260lbs, ALL THE TIME, which is LIGHT for SUPERS..Travis usually is in the 280s or up, when he is "ready" to pull.... |
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Sept 16, 2011 16:53:57 GMT -5
I'd say genes has a big part in it..... Like pretty much every other sport. You plav football.... A guy with a great training routine and ethic might cap out at a 4.5 40 time while some kid out of nowhere blasts that time with no training..... He is more gifted in that arena. Genes won't make you a superstar alone, of course you can be a genetic freak and be relatively unsuccessful and hard work it the activator to the whole combination. This sport is advanced enough where no matter the hand, strength or whatever gifts you have ...... No one will show up and dominate like you are describing. Even denis' breakout...... Everyone thought he came from no where, but if you tracked him he was in tournaments years before taking losses to much lighter guys..... Not so superhuman. I'll say it like this IF everyone was on the same "diet" and trained the same genetics is the only factor. You think for all the money every athlete doesn't want to be usain bolt, Michael Jordan, Anderson silva, bill kazmier... Etc... The guys that walk these sports know exactly how these guys train, what they eat, habits, routines and whatnot. You think for all the money, fame and glory people arent doing the exact same routines.... Maybe even more..... Yet we don't see people reaching that level..... Why not ? Some people just have IT, if we could all be superstars there would be no such word. SICK @$$ POST....... well described. Doesn't get any more real than that for the TRULY ELITE. Small crowd. |
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Post by Adam Cook on Sept 16, 2011 18:12:17 GMT -5
Consider Malcolm Gladwell's book "Outliers"
"Throughout the publication, Gladwell repeatedly mentions the "10,000-Hour Rule", claiming that the key to success in any field is, to a large extent, a matter of practicing a specific task for a total of around 10,000 hours."
Those that start early have a major advantage.
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Post by Travis Berggren on Sept 16, 2011 20:08:08 GMT -5
it follows you in every day life as well,how you compose your self off the table as well as on the table is just as important as anything else,jmo
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