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Post by Dave Areias on Nov 10, 2011 18:54:21 GMT -5
i been in this sport for many years and it's the same bullcrap, not long ago Bill Collins was accused of sending an email to an event promoter, indeed a email went out but not from Bill. He will not speak for me so I had to wait for my account before posting. I find it pretty stupid justifying the email, me and Bill started AWP a few years back, the bull crap we put up with was not worth my time. I still do a few events with Bill and was supposed to help with the Reno event, I was there last year. I see a post with Bill and Jonathan was going back and forth, I got a little pissed when I see Johnthan say he stole the event from Bill. That promoter was going to know what happen and I sent him a email. Everything in the email was the truth, someone got butt hurt and caught up with their pants down. I don’t give a crap who you are you’re not going to steal anything from him, I haven’t seen anyone do or put up with as much crap as he does, beats the hell out of me why he does. I know for a fact he give awards at cost, lets people enter free, does charity events, offer his house to passing armwrestlers, put on birthday parties for armwrestlers, does community stuff and just found out him, Denise and Leonard donated over 4200.00 to USA from putting on the USA worlds, the freaking list goes on. Does that sound like a person who want to hurt a event, The west coast pullers know me so I’m not a made up person , if you want to get pissed for emailing or saying the truth, fine. When I was approached I found out that was bullcrap about him steeling the event from Bill, Bill gave him the event and it was a stupid pissing game, well it back fired. I can care less what others think, right or wrong, don’t play the game if you can’t handle the outcome. And you bet your ass I would do it again. I don’t wish bad on this event and hope no one gets hurt.
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Post by Bruce Urabe on Nov 10, 2011 19:08:51 GMT -5
Thanks Dave.
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Post by Kelli Nelson on Nov 10, 2011 19:46:59 GMT -5
You are a d.o.u.c.h.e.b.a.g.
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Post by John Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 19:49:24 GMT -5
Hey Dave,
Welcome to the board.
Looking forward to more of your great contributions to the sport.
Kelli has stated the obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jonathanvazquez on Nov 10, 2011 19:53:34 GMT -5
First things First: I HOPE YOU GET HIT BY A BUS!
Now:
I do not remember you being at this event last year. I was with Bill the Friday before the event promoting it, he had his Ripstiks and a huge UAL banner. You were not there Saturday during the tournament because Larry Feezor helped Bill ref and I was heling Larry and his wheelchair on and off the stage. Mac Telle was on the Mic and Ginger did brackets. Where were you?
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Post by jamesretarides on Nov 10, 2011 19:59:42 GMT -5
Hey Dave, Welcome to the board. Looking forward to more of your great contributions to the sport. Kelli has stated the obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol |
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Post by Kelli Nelson on Nov 10, 2011 20:03:14 GMT -5
Everyone please don't associate this d.o.u.c.h.e.b.a.g. with any of us west coast pullers!!!
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Post by TK on Nov 10, 2011 20:27:56 GMT -5
REALLY......  It took 2 weeks for that.... Wait for it..... ESPN quote comin' CMON MAN!!!!!!!! Good laugh.... Nice try... And I concur with KELLi |
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Post by TK on Nov 10, 2011 21:24:48 GMT -5
Dont get butt hurt but you need treatment.. The kind that involves a bar of soap and a sock!!  |
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Post by Josh McEllrath on Nov 10, 2011 22:56:58 GMT -5
i been in this sport for many years and it's the same bullcrap, not long ago Bill Collins was accused of sending an email to an event promoter, indeed a email went out but not from Bill. He will not speak for me so I had to wait for my account before posting. I find it pretty stupid justifying the email, me and Bill started AWP a few years back, the bull crap we put up with was not worth my time. I still do a few events with Bill and was supposed to help with the Reno event, I was there last year. I see a post with Bill and Jonathan was going back and forth, I got a little pissed when I see Johnthan say he stole the event from Bill. That promoter was going to know what happen and I sent him a email. Everything in the email was the truth, someone got butt hurt and caught up with their pants down. I don’t give a crap who you are you’re not going to steal anything from him, I haven’t seen anyone do or put up with as much crap as he does, beats the hell out of me why he does. I know for a fact he give awards at cost, lets people enter free, does charity events, offer his house to passing armwrestlers, put on birthday parties for armwrestlers, does community stuff and just found out him, Denise and Leonard donated over 4200.00 to USA from putting on the USA worlds, the freaking list goes on. Does that sound like a person who want to hurt a event, The west coast pullers know me so I’m not a made up person , if you want to get pissed for emailing or saying the truth, fine. When I was approached I found out that was bullcrap about him steeling the event from Bill, Bill gave him the event and it was a stupid pissing game, well it back fired. I can care less what others think, right or wrong, don’t play the game if you can’t handle the outcome. And you bet your ass I would do it again. I don’t wish bad on this event and hope no one gets hurt. Dave, I couldn't pick you out of a lineup, I've never met you, and before today I've never heard your name. That is not to say you haven't been involved in armwrestling, it just means I am new and haven't been around that long. You seem like a level headed guy, you are involved in your community, and you have received a national-level truck driving award. All of this means to me that you are probably well spoken and have at least average intelligence. Just in case you were wondering how I found this out, Google your name sometime. There are a few things in your post that are confusing to me, so to be fair to you, I will address them one at a time. 1) You are a past and sometimes occasional associate of Bill Collins as far as AW goes. 2) It is clear to me that you are man enough to speak on your own accord and will not allow others to do so on your behalf. This is an honorable trait to have. However, it is "pretty stupid" in your opinion to justify the email you sent. Why is that? If you said it, and you bothered to send it to the promoter, why not be honorable and use your own email address? The email you sent did not come from the account you have listed in your NE Board profile, or the account that members of the Quail Unlimited may contact you at. Remember, everything is available online... If you had a problem with what Jonathan said, which means you were monitoring this board as a non-member, which is totally legal, why not contact Jonathan personally? It would be reasonable to assume that a man with your level of integrity as a member of your community would direct your displeasure with someone to them personally. 3) "I don’t give a crap who you are you’re not going to steal anything from him." Bill Collins is a grown man, so is Jonathan Vasquez. I refuse to believe a man of your age (it is in your profile) has never heard of talking crap. Yes Jonathan said that, did you see the post Bill replied with? He said he GAVE that event to Jonathan. That to me, and to everyone else on here with average intelligence, means Bill Collins-1, Jonathan Vasquez -0. Bill clearly shut that door. Period. Any man who has been a truck driver for 40 years has been involved in talking his fair share of crap, I find it hard to believe that you cannot differentiate between what is real and what is trash. 4) I agree with you 100%, Bill Collins has done and continues to do more for the sport than nearly anyone I have ever met. Bill truly loves armwrestling, and I hold him and his family in very high regard because of it. I find it very odd why you felt the need to drag his name into it to paint a verbal picture to your audience, just a few short sentences after admitting to sending the email. 5) "I can care less what others think, right or wrong, don’t play the game if you can’t handle the outcome." This puzzles me Dave. You opened your post up with "I been in this sport for many years and it's the same bullcrap," but it seems to me that this same bullcrap is why you left. You'd had enough and decided to move on. That is understandable, and I have respect for that decision. I know I am not cut out to be a promoter, so I won't even try. Others want out after seeing things first hand, you'll get no argument from me. But perpetuating this same "bullcrap" doesn't sit well with me Dave, especially since you care enough about the sport to still be involved with Bill. I would like to hear your logic behind this, and why you took it upon yourself to influence the "outcome." What did you hope to gain by this? 6) You said that "you bet your ass I'd do it again," and this puzzles me the most. Why? Why would you knowingly cause hate and discontent in a community that you continue to support? That doesn't add up, especially after taking the time to clearly state all of the factors that led to your decision of sending the email. 7) You closed your post by hoping that no one gets hurt, and by not wishing bad towards the event. Do you know what wishing means? It means a desire, longing, or strong inclination for a specific thing. Sometimes people misuse this word and use it in an improper context Dave, and you have done this here. How can you still wish for something after actively and intentionally trying to derail it's progress? That in and of itself is disingenuous, and dishonorable. I feel that someone of my age shouldn't have to remind someone of your age, one of my elders mind you, of such things. I hope you continue to support Bill Collins in his endeavors in armwrestling promotion, and that you try to redeem the ill will you have done towards our armwrestling community. We are a small and tight knit group as you probably know, and we have long memories. I will continue to attend Bill's tournaments and hope to meet you in person some day. I'm not an angry person, I will shake your hand, look you in the eye and introduce myself. I also implore you to reach out to Jonathan Vasquez, and let him in on why you did this. |
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Post by jonathanvazquez on Nov 10, 2011 23:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by Michael Vaz on Nov 10, 2011 23:46:20 GMT -5
Jonathan, just wanted to let you know that Dave is an actual person. Not made up if that's what you're trying to say. He has reffed Bills tournaments before and on occasion comes to practice.
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Post by jonathanvazquez on Nov 10, 2011 23:53:55 GMT -5
Jonathan, just wanted to let you know that Dave is an actual person. Not made up if that's what you're trying to say. He has reffed Bills tournaments before and on occasion comes to practice. Thanks Mike, I am aware he exists. More concerned with the "I was there last year"? |
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Post by Bruce Urabe on Nov 11, 2011 1:52:17 GMT -5
I get dislikes on my comment for thanking Dave for coming out and settling this debate?? I thought this is what people were waiting for? didn't say i liked what he did...just thanks for letting us know what happend.
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Nov 11, 2011 4:47:28 GMT -5
i been in this sport for many years and it's the same bullcrap, not long ago Bill Collins was accused of sending an email to an event promoter, indeed a email went out but not from Bill. He will not speak for me so I had to wait for my account before posting. I find it pretty stupid justifying the email, me and Bill started AWP a few years back, the bull crap we put up with was not worth my time. I still do a few events with Bill and was supposed to help with the Reno event, I was there last year. I see a post with Bill and Jonathan was going back and forth, I got a little pissed when I see Johnthan say he stole the event from Bill. That promoter was going to know what happen and I sent him a email. Everything in the email was the truth, someone got butt hurt and caught up with their pants down. I don’t give a crap who you are you’re not going to steal anything from him, I haven’t seen anyone do or put up with as much crap as he does, beats the hell out of me why he does. I know for a fact he give awards at cost, lets people enter free, does charity events, offer his house to passing armwrestlers, put on birthday parties for armwrestlers, does community stuff and just found out him, Denise and Leonard donated over 4200.00 to USA from putting on the USA worlds, the freaking list goes on. Does that sound like a person who want to hurt a event, The west coast pullers know me so I’m not a made up person , if you want to get pissed for emailing or saying the truth, fine. When I was approached I found out that was bullcrap about him steeling the event from Bill, Bill gave him the event and it was a stupid pissing game, well it back fired. I can care less what others think, right or wrong, don’t play the game if you can’t handle the outcome. And you bet your ass I would do it again. I don’t wish bad on this event and hope no one gets hurt. Dave, I couldn't pick you out of a lineup, I've never met you, and before today I've never heard your name. That is not to say you haven't been involved in armwrestling, it just means I am new and haven't been around that long. You seem like a level headed guy, you are involved in your community, and you have received a national-level truck driving award. All of this means to me that you are probably well spoken and have at least average intelligence. Just in case you were wondering how I found this out, Google your name sometime. There are a few things in your post that are confusing to me, so to be fair to you, I will address them one at a time. 1) You are a past and sometimes occasional associate of Bill Collins as far as AW goes. 2) It is clear to me that you are man enough to speak on your own accord and will not allow others to do so on your behalf. This is an honorable trait to have. However, it is "pretty stupid" in your opinion to justify the email you sent. Why is that? If you said it, and you bothered to send it to the promoter, why not be honorable and use your own email address? The email you sent did not come from the account you have listed in your NE Board profile, or the account that members of the Quail Unlimited may contact you at. Remember, everything is available online... If you had a problem with what Jonathan said, which means you were monitoring this board as a non-member, which is totally legal, why not contact Jonathan personally? It would be reasonable to assume that a man with your level of integrity as a member of your community would direct your displeasure with someone to them personally. 3) "I don’t give a crap who you are you’re not going to steal anything from him." Bill Collins is a grown man, so is Jonathan Vasquez. I refuse to believe a man of your age (it is in your profile) has never heard of talking crap. Yes Jonathan said that, did you see the post Bill replied with? He said he GAVE that event to Jonathan. That to me, and to everyone else on here with average intelligence, means Bill Collins-1, Jonathan Vasquez -0. Bill clearly shut that door. Period. Any man who has been a truck driver for 40 years has been involved in talking his fair share of crap, I find it hard to believe that you cannot differentiate between what is real and what is trash. 4) I agree with you 100%, Bill Collins has done and continues to do more for the sport than nearly anyone I have ever met. Bill truly loves armwrestling, and I hold him and his family in very high regard because of it. I find it very odd why you felt the need to drag his name into it to paint a verbal picture to your audience, just a few short sentences after admitting to sending the email. 5) "I can care less what others think, right or wrong, don’t play the game if you can’t handle the outcome." This puzzles me Dave. You opened your post up with "I been in this sport for many years and it's the same bullcrap," but it seems to me that this same bullcrap is why you left. You'd had enough and decided to move on. That is understandable, and I have respect for that decision. I know I am not cut out to be a promoter, so I won't even try. Others want out after seeing things first hand, you'll get no argument from me. But perpetuating this same "bullcrap" doesn't sit well with me Dave, especially since you care enough about the sport to still be involved with Bill. I would like to hear your logic behind this, and why you took it upon yourself to influence the "outcome." What did you hope to gain by this? 6) You said that "you bet your ass I'd do it again," and this puzzles me the most. Why? Why would you knowingly cause hate and discontent in a community that you continue to support? That doesn't add up, especially after taking the time to clearly state all of the factors that led to your decision of sending the email. 7) You closed your post by hoping that no one gets hurt, and by not wishing bad towards the event. Do you know what wishing means? It means a desire, longing, or strong inclination for a specific thing. Sometimes people misuse this word and use it in an improper context Dave, and you have done this here. How can you still wish for something after actively and intentionally trying to derail it's progress? That in and of itself is disingenuous, and dishonorable. I feel that someone of my age shouldn't have to remind someone of your age, one of my elders mind you, of such things. I hope you continue to support Bill Collins in his endeavors in armwrestling promotion, and that you try to redeem the ill will you have done towards our armwrestling community. We are a small and tight knit group as you probably know, and we have long memories. I will continue to attend Bill's tournaments and hope to meet you in person some day. I'm not an angry person, I will shake your hand, look you in the eye and introduce myself. I also implore you to reach out to Jonathan Vasquez, and let him in on why you did this. Very well and honestly written Josh. You are an enrichment with your way of thinking to the NEB from day1. Hope to meet you someday and surely i will introduce myself and shake your hand too my Aw-Friend. Furthermore i hope this things will get solved on both side for the productive future of armwrestling . So far.. everybody can see the positive energy of J.V and the positive and of course (its a no brainer) more experienced energy of B.C. If we look at it clinical and let the personal sympathy and emotions freeze for just a second then... Is it not so, that armwrestler needs both of them !?! and are appreciating their work as we all can follow obviously.
(probably an another no brainer here again) This is one of the only real things if not the "only thing" that matters at the end. keep up the good work everybody A.K |
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