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Post by Hungry Hippo on Nov 30, 2011 15:14:05 GMT -5
what if the sport of aw was mandated to be drug free? what if laws cracked down on the participants and/or tournament directors on allowing this..my question is how many would still compete? Ive been competing drug free for 6 yrs. I figure it like this..if you love the sport you will still compete. Or it could totally turn you against competing due to digression. I know I wont get as strong as I need to compete with elite pullers without juicing. This is not a hate message to ppl who use them, just want to see opinions on how bad it would affect our sport..I think we'd see a lot of missing pullers if this happened..and another thing just to make myself clear...I'm not against ppl who use them at all, but I do think there should be a class for juicers and a class for drug free. I may have been a national champion by now lol
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Post by Jody Williams on Nov 30, 2011 15:30:50 GMT -5
If you take out the "drug" factor that would eliminate the what if factor. JMO
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Post by tomnelson on Nov 30, 2011 15:56:24 GMT -5
USA will win all open classes...
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Post by James Worke on Nov 30, 2011 17:47:28 GMT -5
I would say it would change a little but not much. Theres no way to 100% control it. Alot that do juice would still juice, just be smarter about it. Pick their tournaments more sparingly, cycle off in time for testing. Ufc mandates it, has randoms, still catches fighters on them. Olympics mandates it, they still catch competitors on them. And those are just the ones they catch. Then you have HRT, like randy couture, that makes it ok w the right paperwork from physicians. Just like anything. Where theres a WILL theres a WAY. Thats my 2ยข
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Post by Kirk Wickizer on Nov 30, 2011 17:58:34 GMT -5
there isn't enough $ to test. Those who cheat can look in the mirror at a farce.
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Post by jamesretarides on Nov 30, 2011 18:07:41 GMT -5
Anyone that knows me knows how I feel about it. I would rather finish this sport with a few national titles and go after a world title than have 62 wins at money tournaments, national and world titles and maybe a Facebook fan page with chemical help. I pull because I love the sport, not because I love to win money.
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Post by David Owens on Nov 30, 2011 18:16:27 GMT -5
what if the sport of aw was mandated to be drug free? what if laws cracked down on the participants and/or tournament directors on allowing this..my question is how many would still compete? Ive been competing drug free for 6 yrs. I figure it like this..if you love the sport you will still compete. Or it could totally turn you against competing due to digression. I know I wont get as strong as I need to compete with elite pullers without juicing. This is not a hate message to ppl who use them, just want to see opinions on how bad it would affect our sport..I think we'd see a lot of missing pullers if this happened..and another thing just to make myself clear...I'm not against ppl who use them at all, but I do think there should be a class for juicers and a class for drug free. I may have been a national champion by now lol is that last line to say you think all national champions are using? why do you think you cannot get as strong as you need to without juicing? How much of using steroid translate to being stronger on the armwrestling table? I know plenty of armwrestlers who are or have at one time using steroids and they did not instantly become elite, in fact either they never became elite or they were already in that catagory.....furthermore there are elite level armwrestlers who don't juice and my guess is the amount of people juicing might cover 15 percent of armwrestlers in the US and of those 15% maybe 20% of them are elite level pullers. Also would you still think taking steroids was cheating if it was legal? because in many other countries it is completely legal, why would they look at something as cheating that in their country has no moraly wrong implications?
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Nov 30, 2011 18:28:34 GMT -5
Oh boy, the same thread again. Has it been a month already?
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Post by David Owens on Nov 30, 2011 18:32:38 GMT -5
Oh boy, the same thread again. Has it been a month already? Lmao......yep don't ya know if you can't beatem they must be juicing ;D
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Post by John Wilson on Nov 30, 2011 18:52:06 GMT -5
Oh boy, the same thread again. Has it been a month already? What this sport needs is reinforced springy shirts that help with side pressure. Then we can have RAW debates. poke poke Shawn!
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Post by Herman Stevens on Nov 30, 2011 18:53:22 GMT -5
No, if steroids didn't exist, you still would not be a national champion.
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Post by robbyburnett on Nov 30, 2011 19:43:23 GMT -5
when u go to the gym i would say 50% will tell u they juice some will say to be stronger some do it just because they think it makes thier body look better some like the way it makes them feel older guys love test makes them feel young again this is just with normal people so what % would u think an athlete that competed would be very high i promise and then u got these freaks that are a class above everybody else now the % is thru the roof, bottom line and this is jmo if a person wants to get stronger and thinks juiceing will help them thats their call have at it, idc if they do or dont juice hell ive done it before in the past did it make me stronger idk for sure but it did mentally felt like king kong, if u think about its the same thing as taking something from gnc u take it to get stronger / leaner/endurence/wtf ever your reason is, differnce is its over the counter and not as strong, but u take them both for the same reason, ive been pulling almost 9 years ive talked to alot of the top guys and not so good guys and let me tell u the % of juicers and whos on it is way higher % wise then u can imagine, idc if u juice or dont juice makes no differnce to me but it sure is funny so many people ive seen or heard over the years down juiceing run it in the ground then next thing u know they r on it or asking where they can get it at, each person has so much natural talent if puller a has alot and puller b has very little puller b can work his ass off and never catch puller a, but when u hit that wall and u aint getting much better u can either accept not getting better or u can try other things at the end of the day its on u how bad do u want it, u are all that matters seeing how its your body that u r putting at risk, there aint too many big names that will even comment on this stuff cause how the hell do u think they got there, i dont do this for money hell their aint any money in it i love the rush and i love winning and being the best that day, if they make it a juice free sport ill still be around pulling as much as i can and so will most.
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Post by 'Stump' Burton on Nov 30, 2011 20:12:53 GMT -5
Robbie I am so proud of you man. I never seen you use a comma in your posts before. Way to go man, I knew you could do it.
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Post by Robert Miller on Nov 30, 2011 20:14:58 GMT -5
Good question Jon... In a word "Yes"! I been saying the same thing since I started pulling too... When I competed in powerlifting they generally tested 10% @ any meet randomly... and a lot of times the guys w/ the biggest totals/ lifts etc. where the ones that end-up getting tested... I think this would be a good start. Again though, as stated earlier drug test aren't free so the meet director has to foot the bill... PL'ing has federation dues to pay every year, whereas Aw'ing does not so they may have a little more disposable $$ on hand to do so... Another option that I've discussed w/ James R. as well is have 2-separate divisions as some PL'ing Fed's offer... such as the APF & AAPF. the former is the pro division and are not tested... its understood. the latter is the amateur div. and is tested so it is also understood... if yer gonna use AAS then you stay in the Pro div. if yer drug free then you compete in the amateur div... If you're busted for using in the amateur's then yer banned from competing for 1-year... get busted again & its for life in some feds... I'm not saying we should adopt all the PL'ing methods of testing but its something to think about... It does help level the playing field somewhat from my experience! As James W. stated ppl are still gonna use & push the envelope... no method is 100% reliable... It does however make em' think twice! Jus my .02.... Cheers,
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Post by robbyburnett on Nov 30, 2011 20:19:15 GMT -5
stump its ( robby ) and thank u buddy lol
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