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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Dec 1, 2011 11:07:56 GMT -5
Steriods makes a huge difference. I personally know someone from high school that was stuck at a 325 lb max bench for years. He went on the "juice" and in 4 months had his bench up to 440. Remaining in a "pre-juice" weight class would be difficult however...which could level the field a bit. AW is very different from lifting weights. Steroids do nothing for the tendons, and they certainly do not improve technique. they do make a person stronger, but stronger isn't as critical on the table as it is in the gym.
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Dec 1, 2011 12:07:37 GMT -5
I have to look at this hypothetically because even IF mandated it would never be drug free. But let's say there was no such thing as hgh or steroid injections etc.. I think the sport would NOT digress it could slightly improve. Why because there wouldnt be such huge gaps between some pullers ,therefore making it more appealing for some to train enter more tournaments and even stay in the sport. There would still be big gaps in talent obviously from top to bottom but the field would a litlle more level month to month year to year.
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Post by Trapper Saltzman on Dec 1, 2011 14:02:04 GMT -5
?1.what if the sport of aw was mandated to be drug free? Me-Don't really care, cause I dont use. Those that do will find a way, so it still doesn't matter.
2what if laws cracked down on the participants and/or tournament directors on allowing this. my question is how many would still compete? Me-Prettysure we would all still compete,those that use tho would be wiser,and more cautious.
3.just want to see opinions on how bad it would affect our sport.. Me-It would have effect on the little guy tho..The little guy being your average joe Promoter that puts on a half/or dozen tournaments a year. Those guys couldn't afford to test. Also those tournaments would be over shadowed buy the Big ones becouse that is what you would be planning your cycles around..
4.(I think we'd see a lot of missing pullers if this happened.) Me-Missing pullers, No. Missing Pro's at the average joe's tourn Yes. becouse of what I just said above.
5.(I'm not against ppl who use them at all, but I do think there should be a class for juicers and a class for drug free.) Me-It would be impossible to do this.
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Post by tomnelson on Dec 1, 2011 15:48:11 GMT -5
F it....im gonna be 278 at next years ZLOTY cup...you will see if it works or not...
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Post by Robert Miller on Dec 1, 2011 16:02:32 GMT -5
Whats up Trapper? Reference to #5 in the above post... why do you feel it'd be impossible to test bro? Natural guys compete in the amateur-class while the guys that use AAS compete in the Pro-class... Amateurs are tested while the pro's are not. If you're busted for using in the amateurs yer banned for at least a year... get caught again, maybe for life. (in that particular federation) this will take some organization & tracking on all the tourny directors part so there has to be accountability... jus my .02. It can be done as this is how the PL'ing feds do it!
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Dec 1, 2011 17:57:12 GMT -5
Steriods makes a huge difference. I personally know someone from high school that was stuck at a 325 lb max bench for years. He went on the "juice" and in 4 months had his bench up to 440. Remaining in a "pre-juice" weight class would be difficult however...which could level the field a bit. AW is very different from lifting weights. Steroids do nothing for the tendons, and they certainly do not improve technique. they do make a person stronger, but stronger isn't as critical on the table as it is in the gym. What about hgh?
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Dec 1, 2011 18:11:19 GMT -5
AW is very different from lifting weights. Steroids do nothing for the tendons, and they certainly do not improve technique. they do make a person stronger, but stronger isn't as critical on the table as it is in the gym. What about hgh? Couldn't say----don't know much about it.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Dec 1, 2011 18:13:36 GMT -5
Whats up Trapper? Reference to #5 in the above post... why do you feel it'd be impossible to test bro? Natural guys compete in the amateur-class while the guys that use AAS compete in the Pro-class... Amateurs are tested while the pro's are not. If you're busted for using in the amateurs yer banned for at least a year... get caught again, maybe for life. (in that particular federation) this will take some organization & tracking on all the tourny directors part so there has to be accountability... jus my .02. It can be done as this is how the PL'ing feds do it! Powerlifting also charges $75 to $120 per entry, and some are now requiring lifters entering the tested divisions to pay extra for the tests. Its all about $$$, and there just isn't enough in AW to pay for it all.
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Dec 1, 2011 18:31:57 GMT -5
F it....im gonna be 278 at next years ZLOTY cup...you will see if it works or not... I actually love this idea. Be the experiment! Overall left 1. Tom Nelson 2. Denis Cyplenkov 3. Andres P Maybe even right.
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Post by David Owens on Dec 1, 2011 19:52:30 GMT -5
F it....im gonna be 278 at next years ZLOTY cup...you will see if it works or not... I actually love this idea. Be the experiment! Overall left 1. Tom Nelson 2. Denis Cyplenkov 3. Andres P Maybe even right. Maybe in a couple years....and in that case was it really the roids that made the difference.....tom is already close (relatively speaking) so if doesnt make it happen in a years time it probably was not the drug as much as it was a elite puller getting a litgle better over time
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Post by Robert Miller on Dec 2, 2011 22:42:55 GMT -5
Whats up Trapper? Reference to #5 in the above post... why do you feel it'd be impossible to test bro? Natural guys compete in the amateur-class while the guys that use AAS compete in the Pro-class... Amateurs are tested while the pro's are not. If you're busted for using in the amateurs yer banned for at least a year... get caught again, maybe for life. (in that particular federation) this will take some organization & tracking on all the tourny directors part so there has to be accountability... jus my .02. It can be done as this is how the PL'ing feds do it! Powerlifting also charges $75 to $120 per entry, and some are now requiring lifters entering the tested divisions to pay extra for the tests. Its all about $$$, and there just isn't enough in AW to pay for it all. Agreed Shawn, as I stated in an earlier post... I lifted in the APF the last years I competed & we paid $60.00 a year dues then approx. 40-50 per meet. Spent more money than Aw'ing but still not an exhorbiant amount more at any rate... my point being we can make it happen if we feel its worth it. If not then whats the fuss about? I usually pull in the supers & I compete against guys bigger & / or stronger than me... never hear me complain & I'm natural... Maybe we need to suck it up and just train harder than the next guy... I never assume someones using unless I have proof... AAS has its draw-backs too! Thats a whole nother topic believe me... Ok, rant complete... carry-on gents!!!
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Dec 3, 2011 1:03:27 GMT -5
It will help more then you think David O. He could make great gains in a year "on." More then he could in a couple years of training naturally. When you get to a certain level gains come slower, unless you start getting "help"
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Post by Jim Roof on Dec 6, 2011 17:06:15 GMT -5
I think that with every passing generation athletes get bigger,stronger,and faster even if they don't juice.technology and human evolution change things drastically.look at pro football,do u think players like joe namath would b able to keep up with todays athletes if he was in his prime right now?answer,absolutley not,there have been so many advances in technology that make it easier for athletes to train at a level that wasn't available 20 years ago. I think its all about personal preference,if u want to juice more power to you,if not great
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Post by Jim Roof on Dec 8, 2011 19:16:50 GMT -5
I'm not saying that doesn't happen,I'm sure it happens all the time,but its all about making a choice. When a high school athlete hits a wall in training and one of his buds offer him something to "help him out" a choice is made,no doctors or coaches choose for them,they make a choice on their own,there might be some contributing factors that play into it,but its on them to choose
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