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Post by kyledarby on Dec 8, 2011 21:09:01 GMT -5
Just curious in their respective weight classes do you think anyone is unbeatable? If so, who and why? I personally think everyone is capable of losing at some point. I know in North America some folks believe Chad and George are unbeatable at 176lbs. Some might say the champ Devon Larratt is out of reach today. What do you think?
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Post by Tim Lewis on Dec 8, 2011 21:31:31 GMT -5
No one is ever unbeatable, especially in only one match.
There can be pullers that are clearly "at the top of the class" at any given moment in time. But this changes with time as other pullers train harder to get to the top and learn new styles. But this is not unbeatable. Anyone can be upset.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Dec 8, 2011 21:38:34 GMT -5
I agree with Tim. Everyone is beatable.
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Post by Robin the manhandler Chandler on Dec 8, 2011 23:20:48 GMT -5
Everyone looses even the great dot jones lost from time to time for u people that dont know her she is 15a time world champ and my idol
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Post by Bob Brown on Dec 8, 2011 23:39:32 GMT -5
Zoloev in his weight class. And remember he does not diet at all. He could still make 165 if he wanted.
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Post by Tiberiu Mihalcea on Dec 9, 2011 3:32:51 GMT -5
Georgi Gaygardjiev BUL has been the -55 kg class undisputed champion for a couple of years. He competed in -65 kg class until 2009, and was a World champion in that class too.
Zoloev in any class -80 kg, right hand, has a very small change of loosing. Not unbeatable but chances of him loosing are very small...
Rustam Babayev is undefeated in -85 kg class. He recently lost a Zoloev, coming from a lighter class, so that doesn't count.
Arsen Liliev has very small chances of losing in -90 kg class, right handed. In the Nemiroff -95 class, chances of him losing might rise a little because of pullers from -100 class dropping to -95.
Lubomir Jagnesak recently tore through the -95 class in Nemiroff and -90 class at Worlds, left hand. I don't see him losing to anyone except Rustam, that is if Rustam enters Lubo's class.
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Post by Tiberiu Mihalcea on Dec 9, 2011 4:22:53 GMT -5
BTW, I don't see anyone beating Richard Lupkes in any Masters class. So he's unbeatable in his class.  |
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Dec 9, 2011 7:37:26 GMT -5
Tim bresnan is a master...
Janis beat zoloev....and khassanov gave him hook war...
I think it was him.... This says people are close
Rustam lost to a lighter guy.... That does count
Arsen seems to pull the wool over everyone's eyes with the elbow fouls.
He is not out of reach, I think rustam beats him more often than not...
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Dec 9, 2011 8:31:34 GMT -5
zoloev....and khassanov gave him hook war... Hi Rob, from what I remember it was not a hook war, Khassanov tried to toproll Zoloev's wrist and almost managed to completely do it, it was an hard strap match with Zoloev in a neutral wrist position (almost dead wrist) and Khassanov trying to completely roll out... when Zoloev managed to catch Khassanov in a hook at the 2nd start, Zoloev won easily. After that match Alexander Bulenkov from Russia gave a real hook war to Zoloev, and also Humard Pascal from Switzerland gave an hard hook match to Zoloev , and eventually Janis beat him in the final. |
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Dec 9, 2011 10:03:46 GMT -5
Ok, but if you are " unbeatable".... Then even the circumstances you talk about don't apply.
If you are truly unbeatable it means you are best in strap, hook, toproll.... Un-toprollable..... You have nothing weaker than your peers..... Including endurance that can exploit you.
I agree zoloev is head and shoulders above people in his class in his spot.... But he can be vulnerable as you describe if his wrist is flattened.... Then once it's weakened a solid toproller can crack him.
Even in a hook... If he got that strong, someone somewhere can too.... And beyond.... He IS human.
I think you can become unbeatable..... But it would take extreme genetics, unparalleled work ethic and drive. You would have to be the best everywhere every angle.... It's too much to focus on to keep pace for long..... Noone has done it yet.
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Post by jamesretarides on Dec 9, 2011 10:07:40 GMT -5
Practice Paul
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Dec 9, 2011 10:29:16 GMT -5
Ok, but if you are " unbeatable".... Then even the circumstances you talk about don't apply. If you are truly unbeatable it means you are best in strap, hook, toproll.... Un-toprollable..... You have nothing weaker than your peers..... Including endurance that can exploit you. I agree zoloev is head and shoulders above people in his class in his spot.... But he can be vulnerable as you describe if his wrist is flattened.... Then once it's weakened a solid toproller can crack him. Even in a hook... If he got that strong, someone somewhere can too.... And beyond.... He IS human. I think you can become unbeatable..... But it would take extreme genetics, unparalleled work ethic and drive. You would have to be the best everywhere every angle.... It's too much to focus on to keep pace for long..... Noone has done it yet. Rob, I didn't want to mean that your general point was wrong, I was not involved in the subject of this thread, I just corrected one of your statements, nothing more.  take care p.s. I agree with what you said, it's really hard to become absolutely unbeatable. |
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Dec 9, 2011 11:06:46 GMT -5
Zoloev is the closest I believe . Losing once you still can be considered unbeatable IMO
On Richard Over 50 yes probably true today but as Masters go's Ron Bath Tim Bresnan , John Brzenk all could fair well or beat Richard
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Dec 9, 2011 11:24:26 GMT -5
Well if we are talking in class and not overalls..... Who has a better record than rustam ?
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Post by Eric Roussin on Dec 9, 2011 12:27:10 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has a better record than Rustam within a class. However John Brzenk's record when competing under 200 lbs between the mid-'80s and mid-'2000s is probably comparable.
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take care p.s. I agree with what you said, it's really hard to become absolutely unbeatable.
