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Post by Tyson Beauchamp on Mar 10, 2012 23:02:57 GMT -5
I know until he beats Devon I cant truely say that, but I believe he beats Devon.
Discuss.
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Post by Robert Miller on Mar 10, 2012 23:23:45 GMT -5
His speed is awesome, but.... Devons too strong, too versatile & smarter imo! Devon wins...
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Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Mar 11, 2012 0:37:48 GMT -5
I think Liliev is awesome but in my opinion both Devon and M Todd beat him also i think Jerry beats him it looks like the best strategy is to not try to hold onto him or catch him or try to hook.Slip get in the straps dont try to toproll or play the backpressure game because his wrist and rotation is amazing even with a small hand.Hit straight sideways with your shoulder behind like a press Cyplenkov did it the one match i think if he would have had someone in his corner telling him to do that right off the go nice and tight he would have won every match.
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Post by Brad Costa on Mar 11, 2012 0:40:50 GMT -5
I agree with Robert, Devon is way to strong. I think Devon would catch that hit and crush it.
The brad
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Post by kyledarby on Mar 11, 2012 0:44:20 GMT -5
To be the man you gotta beat the man, until then it's merely speculation.
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Post by Bob Brown on Mar 11, 2012 0:57:12 GMT -5
To be the man you gotta beat the man, until then it's merely speculation. What??? Its merely speculation that Devon could beat Arsen. They have never pulled. Well, I guess I should of asked first. Who in your analysis is THE MAN. |
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Post by kyledarby on Mar 11, 2012 2:14:34 GMT -5
Not at all what I said Bob. For anyone to be considered the one they must defeat the person that owns that title. As best I know Devon is the man. I don't believe Arsen can be considered the benchmark unless he beats Devon. For argument sake maybe Michael and Jerry as well. At this point in time Devon is the Alpha.
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Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Mar 11, 2012 3:52:30 GMT -5
I think Arsen might probably be the best toproller in the world but from watching him pull it looks like thats his one move similar to Taras so i dont see how he can beat Michael Todd or Jerry C both will press him down 6_0 this is just my opinion though styles make matches also ya its possible for Arsen to flash Devon but is someone gonna try and tell me that he is stronger than Devon because when he flashed John everybody said thats just speed Johns way stronger and better and they are right just like Devon is way stronger.
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Post by Tiberiu Mihalcea on Mar 11, 2012 18:06:50 GMT -5
Arsen did beat Cyplenkov in the finals of the Russian Open but it was after Cyplenkov had 3 wars with Pushkar and Zoloev had laid down to Liliev in the other semifinal.
I still think he can't beat Cyplenkov and Pushkar fresh, over 5-6 rounds.
His number 5 spot in Engin's World Rankings suits him best ... for now. ;D
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Post by Josh Handeland on Mar 11, 2012 19:32:38 GMT -5
IMO
Top 4 in the World Right now:
1) Devon
2) Michael Todd
3) Arsen
4) Denis
Can Arsen beat Devon, and/or Michael? It's possible, but over 6 rounds my money would be against him. In a regular double elimination tournament, I could see it going either way, same with Denis vs. Devon/Michael. JMO.
Edit: Didn't realise Denis and Pushkar killed each other before Arsen beat Denis. Still, Arsen was 198 and at 225 (as he was against Lupkes) he might beat Denis anyways, idk.
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Post by Tyson Beauchamp on Mar 11, 2012 20:45:06 GMT -5
Wow, was Arsen really 198 for this? He looks at least 220. At 225-230 i dont see anyone hanging with him.
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Post by Neil Pickup on Mar 12, 2012 2:38:52 GMT -5
1 on 1 is the only way to Run  |
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Post by Tiberiu Mihalcea on Mar 12, 2012 4:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by Shaun Thomas on Mar 12, 2012 19:31:32 GMT -5
Wow, was Arsen really 198 for this? He looks at least 220. At 225-230 i dont see anyone hanging with him. I suspect he used diurectics to make the weight . He looks the biggest i have seen him so im guessing at competition time he weighed at least 100kg. im assuming by his appearence that the weigh in must have been at least the day before. There is absolutely NO WAY he was under 200lbs at comp time |
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Post by Max Moore on Mar 15, 2012 18:46:47 GMT -5
Arsen is one of the most interesting matchups for Devon in my mind.
i wouldnt be willing to bet either way.....his hit is unmatched...and Devon seems to have trouble the big time hit.
Arsen is a bad dude.
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