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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 2, 2012 15:23:04 GMT -5
Tim Lewis: I was wondering, after ALL your challenge matches across the Country and ALL the states and tournaments and weight classes you have pulled in, how are you NOT a "recongonized" PRO?
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Post by Steven Green on Jul 2, 2012 15:50:09 GMT -5
Say it aint so Timmy! You are still my boy blue but stay in the pros. You are very competitive at your new weight.
I won’t bust on him too much but I agree with Christian on this one.
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Post by Russell Stark on Jul 2, 2012 16:24:50 GMT -5
It's time to stay Pro bro. Arm wrestling is there for you to put yourself to the test. Not to find the easy matches. We all love ya bud! Keep up the hard work.
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Post by Tim Lewis on Jul 2, 2012 20:56:47 GMT -5
The answer to your question is because I asked Leonard and he said that I wasn't a "recognized pro." I even asked a second time "Are you sure?" and he said yes.
I just wanted to pull a lot of matches.
To be honest with you, I still don't know what the definition of that is as it appears to be completely subjective to opinion.
I feel like their were 3 to 4 guys in each of the amateur classes that were pretty good but yes you are correct they don't have the exposure and/or tournament exposure that I have.
But...
I wasn't even that happy that I won to be honest with you other than I have confirmed myself and from a few other people that I respect a lot that this is the last time I will enter such classes especially by winning the 98s too.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Jul 2, 2012 22:32:41 GMT -5
Tim Lewis: I was wondering, after ALL your challenge matches across the Country and ALL the states and tournaments and weight classes you have pulled in, how are you NOT a "recongonized" PRO? What a load of crap.  When you run your events you get to make those decisions. Tim is a very good Amateur but not a "recognized" "Pro". The number of challenge matches and the number of events pulled, by itself, does not make one a recognized Pro. What Top level event has Tim won money at? In our opinion, which is the only ones that count, Tim still is able to pull amateur. Look he did win but with long tough fought matches. At no time did Tim just manhandle anyone in his class, which tells me that we got it right. |
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Post by Coley Jones on Jul 2, 2012 23:52:45 GMT -5
Here's your new avitar, Christian.  |
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Post by David Owens on Jul 3, 2012 0:24:56 GMT -5
I cannot tell you how bad I wanna dive into this mess but my head is still bruised from the last brick wall I beat it against good job Tim now sit back and take your licks with the rest of us  |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 3, 2012 6:16:03 GMT -5
What a load of crap. When you run your events you get to make those decisions. Tim is a very good Amateur but not a "recognized" "Pro". The number of challenge matches and the number of events pulled, by itself, does not make one a recognized Pro. What Top level event has Tim won money at? In our opinion, which is the only ones that count, Tim still is able to pull amateur. Look he did win but with long tough fought matches. At no time did Tim just manhandle anyone in his class, which tells me that we got it right. Really Leonard? Total crap? ..... Yes we all Know how it's ONLY your ( the 2 of you) opinion...NO DUH but the guy has pulled l In Tournaments all of this Country, besides all the challenge matches, and against many pros, with wins! Hence the question. Funny, I just couldn't find the "other" part of the "amateur" rule where to pull pro at the USAA Nats that you have to win money at a " top level" event, besides just being a " recongonized pro" as you stated in a previous post asking this very same question. Maybe Tim can qualify for the Arnold , win it and the maybe, in the USAAs opinion, he just MIGHT be able to pull pro at the next USAA Nats. that's if the Armwrestlers are able to donate enough money to keep the Arnold afloat, FOR YOU...... |
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Post by Mark Evans on Jul 3, 2012 7:28:31 GMT -5
Steve Phipps after pulling 20+ years used to always pull day 2 at the USAA tournament in Lake Tahoe as well as masters, after pulling and placing day one in the pro class. Why? Because he didn't accept the cash prize and thus was able to maintain his amateur status.Steve after placing in the pro class took loses in the amateur class too.
Tim would be considered a lower tier open class puller, he spends his money to attend a 2 day event, he is within the guidelines of the rules that USAA have been using since 1998 that I'm aware of.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 3, 2012 7:50:01 GMT -5
Steve Phipps after pulling 20+ years used to always pull day 2 at the USAA tournament in Lake Tahoe as well as masters, after pulling and placing day one in the pro class. Why? Because he didn't accept the cash prize and thus was able to maintain his amateur status.Steve after placing in the pro class took loses in the amateur class too. Tim would be considered a lower tier open class puller, he spends his money to attend a 2 day event, he is within the guidelines of the rules that USAA have been using since 1998 that I'm aware of. Yeah, I am FULLY aware of Steve Phipps, as much as I like, admire and can call Steve a true friend from this 'sport", that to was a crock of $ h i t. ALL because he didn't take cash at the same event.... This was just directed to Tim, not leonard. Because I was surprised after the last yr or so, and seeing Tim pull as often as he could, ALL across the US AND get as many challenge matches, that hew would pull amateur thats all. But I guess leonard thought it was a "dig" on the USAA, which it wasn't.....I for yrs would read the results of the USAA Nats and see all the Nat and World Champs pulling in it and saw how prestigious it was....Regardless it went from USAA Nat WRISTWRESTLING CHAMPIONSHPS to ARMWRRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIPS... So are anymore going to come on and "defend' the USAA for no reason? |
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Jul 3, 2012 9:00:36 GMT -5
Steve Phipps after pulling 20+ years used to always pull day 2 at the USAA tournament in Lake Tahoe as well as masters, after pulling and placing day one in the pro class. Why? Because he didn't accept the cash prize and thus was able to maintain his amateur status.Steve after placing in the pro class took loses in the amateur class too. Tim would be considered a lower tier open class puller, he spends his money to attend a 2 day event, he is within the guidelines of the rules that USAA have been using since 1998 that I'm aware of. Yeah, I am FULLY aware of Steve Phipps, as much as I like, admire and can call Steve a true friend from this 'sport", that to was a crock of $ h i t. ALL because he didn't take cash at the same event.... This was just directed to Tim, not leonard. Because I was surprised after the last yr or so, and seeing Tim pull as often as he could, ALL across the US AND get as many challenge matches, that hew would pull amateur thats all. But I guess leonard thought it was a "dig" on the USAA, which it wasn't.....I for yrs would read the results of the USAA Nats and see all the Nat and World Champs pulling in it and saw how prestigious it was....Regardless it went from USAA Nat WRISTWRESTLING CHAMPIONSHPS to ARMWRRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIPS... So are anymore going to come on and "defend' the USAA for no reason? Christian.....I thought you were better informed than that. We ran a National Wristwrestling Championship for several years at the same time we had the National Armwrestling Championships. We did not go from one to the other. Yes I did take your dig at Tim personal. What someone does in a "challenge" match means nothing to me about your status as a pro. Beating that same person in a tournament is far better. Just so that I can be better informed.....what "Pro's" did Tim beat in challenge matches? Oh and Tim's left arm, didn't even place in the Amateur class. Everyone should be congratulating him on his National Amateur Champion wins instead of berating him for even being there. Our Amateur classes have a higher level that any regular amateur tournament. These are National Amateur Champions. |
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Post by Robin the manhandler Chandler on Jul 3, 2012 9:47:50 GMT -5
Well mac telle isnt a pro level puller and big congrads to my friend Tim Lewis for i hope u have many more wins
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Jul 3, 2012 11:19:10 GMT -5
The USAA National Pro-AM Wristwrestling was 1994 to 1998
USAA National Armwrestling started in 1995.
LH
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Post by TK on Jul 3, 2012 11:40:10 GMT -5
HATE TO JOIN IN...LMAO but how many years can you really pull novice and amateur? I was pulling with Tim back in 07' (5 YEARS AGO)when I was pulling novice. And I see he pulls at least 12 times a year...maybe an avg of one a month...the ROAD WARRIOR.... this is that CLEAR CUT CASE OF SOMEONE GLORIFYING THEMSELVES THROUGH THEIR MANY NOVICE AND AMATEUR TROPHIES. TIME TO PUT YOUR BIG BOY BRITCHES ON. JUST SAYIN' I HAVE PEOPLE STILL CALL ME NOVICE..LMAO...AND IVE BEEN TAKING MY BEATINGS AS A PRO FOR 4 YEARS NOW....FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS. THANKS CHRISTIAN T/K |
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Post by Tim Lewis on Jul 3, 2012 12:42:37 GMT -5
People can think whatever they want, I knew going into this that a whole thread would probably be made on this board about this topic and I was right.
I could care less about trophies and I don't consider what I won to be any sort of "title" at all. It's not about that at all.
If you notice I pulled the 98 amateur left and right so that I could pull different guys. It gets boring pulling the same people over and over again. Everyone knows that much of what happens in those pro classes depends on the draw and a lot of pullers simply haven't been coming to the smaller tournaments lately....so I wanted to get a chance to pull a lot of different matches.
I pulled the 76 amateur right simply because I never won the amateur right before in my class ( I won the amateur left class once in Tahoe 3 years ago so I didn't pull the amatuer 76 left because I figured I was too good for that class)
Amateur is a whole lot different than Novice, and people that don't compete in the USAA often don't understand that.
I could go on here and bash certain under organizations about some of their ridiculous practices but that would prove nothing.
Anyone that knows me just knows that I like to pull a lot. Before I signed up for those classes, I made sure there were a good amount of guys in there that I would have good matches with and they were. By no means were my wins "easy".
But I guess like others have told me I have a reputation to uphold and unwritten rules to follow or I will be hated on......
so I accept this thread as punishment for my decision....however I am willing to accept the opinion of the community at large.........there will be no more amateur at USAA nationals even though I am still allowed to pull it.
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