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Post by Jody Williams on Jul 12, 2012 12:09:48 GMT -5
The more & more I see this particular weight class in tournaments around the states. The more I like it & wonder why this is not offered as much? Anyone feel free to chime in ;D
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Post by John Wilson on Jul 12, 2012 13:50:41 GMT -5
I like it because it mixes up guys who often don't pull each other. Down here, 220 seems to be where a ton of us gravitate and the 220 classes are epic.
For some reason, 198 became one of those foundational classes that got offered at every event. For years it has been 154, 176, 198, 242, heavy. That's a reasonable split, but I think that format has gotten really tired. You know who you are going to pull before you even show up.
I'd love to see Open events get back to 150, 200, Over. (obviously you would make the splits where your usual demographics fit the best.)
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Post by Mike West on Jul 12, 2012 14:22:39 GMT -5
We did 143,165, 187, 220, 220+, for several years at our Midwest Challenge for that exact reason John, to change it up so you never knew who you'd be pulling. We did change it back this year because some people were concerned about the rankings, so we made it the same as the rankings.
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Post by Jody Williams on Jul 12, 2012 14:30:17 GMT -5
We did 143,165, 187, 220, 220+, for several years at our Midwest Challenge for that exact reason John, to change it up so you never knew who you'd be pulling. We did change it back this year because some people were concerned about the rankings, so we made it the same as the rankings. Out west from a rankings standpoint I see the 154,176,198,242 version. However if mix these up from time to time it would make thing alot interesting (except the heavy guys, nothing really changes up there) JMO |
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Post by John Wilson on Jul 12, 2012 14:30:31 GMT -5
^ those are great classes, Mike.
I don't care about rankings, but a lot of people do. I can see where it's an issue.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Jul 12, 2012 14:43:50 GMT -5
And the classes that were originally chosen for the rankings were chosen because they were the most common... There's a circle effect.
188-220 is a big class, so you likely will only see it in an event with four or five weight classes. I've run events in the past with the same classes that Mike has mentioned. I've also run events with four of the five classes, dropping the 143s.
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Post by Bob Brown on Jul 12, 2012 16:39:22 GMT -5
Without sounding too bad. The reason you don't see 188-220 is because then you will have the cry babies in 176 complaining about having to pull heavier guys. No matter what classes you pick someone will cry.
Best event I ever went to was 0-199 and 200-above.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jul 12, 2012 16:46:27 GMT -5
^^^ thats the best
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 12, 2012 16:58:30 GMT -5
Without sounding too bad. The reason you don't see 188-220 is because then you will have the cry babies in 176 complaining about having to pull heavier guys. No matter what classes you pick someone will cry. Best event I ever went to was 0-199 and 200-above. One of the best posts EVER! |
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Post by Tim Lewis on Jul 12, 2012 20:50:50 GMT -5
most promoters look at where the local pullers fall weight wise and where entries have been weight wise at previous year tournaments and adjust from there. e.g. if I know a lot of guys come to event X every year that walk around under 150 I will have a 0-143 class if I know that no heavyweight guys really show up I will offer a 199+ class but if I know that a lot of mid-heavyweights will come I will have a 220 b/c they won't show up if there is a 199+ I agree in principle with RVJ but the goal of promoters is to try to do whatever is best to increase the total number of entries...and sometimes the "quality of the pulling" has to suffer because of that  |
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Post by Brad Costa on Jul 13, 2012 18:19:13 GMT -5
I think a lot of guys who compete, as in other weight based sports, hover around the weight they want to compete at. Most of the complaints will come from those who adjust from the "normal" 154, 176, 198, 242... classes. I'd say the problem isn't the switch, but the inconsistency... The adjustment. I'd just like a set weight system so I can pick a weight and just remain at it, not have to dump 10 pounds or worry about guys being bigger than me. I would love a 188 class, only because I could make the weight below it... vs having to stay at my current weight of 195. But even more I like set weights that all would follow.
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Post by Zach Creel on Jul 14, 2012 15:03:22 GMT -5
From a beginners perspective, I definitely would have loved to have a 220lb class offered more. When i first got into AW I was around 210-215lbs and chose to get down to 198 to get any advantage I could starting out. If I would have stayed at 215 I would have to pull 242's and as a beginner I would get even more destroyed.
If classes are already in about 20lb intervals then why not have a 199-220lb class offered more? Weight ranging from 199-242 is a HUGE difference.
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Post by Bart Wood on Jul 14, 2012 15:28:59 GMT -5
I like that class range lol so I would never diet again!
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Post by David Owens on Jul 14, 2012 18:18:44 GMT -5
From a beginners perspective, I definitely would have loved to have a 220lb class offered more. When i first got into AW I was around 210-215lbs and chose to get down to 198 to get any advantage I could starting out. If I would have stayed at 215 I would have to pull 242's and as a beginner I would get even more destroyed. If classes are already in about 20lb intervals then why not have a 199-220lb class offered more? Weight ranging from 199-242 is a HUGE difference. Most of the best 242 guys can make 220 there are exceptions but that is the biggest reason 242 is offered instead of 220, also if you check the classes offered at worlds they are 11lbs up to 198 then it's jumps 22 to 220 and 22 to 242 then 243+ 199 to 242 is a huge gap? Ok how about 255 to 400? Where do we draw the line, as the classes go up so should the gap for the next class, from my stand point 0-198 and 199 and up looks great but WAY less people would get a trophy and many would quit, not to mention more classes the promoters offer equals more $$$ It makes it very difficult to rank people when the weight classes are inconsistent but promoters offer the classes that they think will most benefit the event. |
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Post by Zach Creel on Jul 15, 2012 21:21:12 GMT -5
From a beginners perspective, I definitely would have loved to have a 220lb class offered more. When i first got into AW I was around 210-215lbs and chose to get down to 198 to get any advantage I could starting out. If I would have stayed at 215 I would have to pull 242's and as a beginner I would get even more destroyed. If classes are already in about 20lb intervals then why not have a 199-220lb class offered more? Weight ranging from 199-242 is a HUGE difference. Most of the best 242 guys can make 220 there are exceptions but that is the biggest reason 242 is offered instead of 220, also if you check the classes offered at worlds they are 11lbs up to 198 then it's jumps 22 to 220 and 22 to 242 then 243+ 199 to 242 is a huge gap? Ok how about 255 to 400? Where do we draw the line, as the classes go up so should the gap for the next class, from my stand point 0-198 and 199 and up looks great but WAY less people would get a trophy and many would quit, not to mention more classes the promoters offer equals more $$$ It makes it very difficult to rank people when the weight classes are inconsistent but promoters offer the classes that they think will most benefit the event. Yes 199-242 is a big gap. Compared to every other class where the gap is only 20lbs I think that a 43lb gap qualifies as a big gap. As far as when to draw the line, I think 243-up is fine as is. Just my opinion, but I don't think there is a need for another class above that. Do we really have that many 300lb + guys? |
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