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Post by Kurt Howgate on Aug 30, 2012 15:13:28 GMT -5
It's different for each person.
But rest is essential...break it down, rest, build it back up a little more. Repeat.
Overuse of your tendons can lead to tendonitis or tendonosis, tennis elbow, golfers elbow.
Once that sets in, it can takes months or year(s) before it goes away. It can be chronic.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 30, 2012 15:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by Florian Kellersmann on Aug 30, 2012 15:43:09 GMT -5
Todd, how does your active rest training looks like?
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Aug 30, 2012 16:24:39 GMT -5
Power lifting is orders of magnitude more taxing than arm wrestling. Exhibit A: At the end of a World Level competition power lifters shut down with both shins bleeding, their back in spasms and both eyes hemorrhaged. Arm wrestlers grab a few drinks and pull for 2-3 hours at the after party. Thus I could make a case compelling enough to convince the Casey Anthony jury that if power lifters need 2-3 days a week recovery arm wrestlers would, by correlation, need 1-2 days recovery every 5 weeks. A caveat, most people do not train arm wrestling exclusively. If one trains arm wrestling in conjunction with power lifting, bodybuilding, MMA or CrossFit then they need to recover from the cumulative effects of all their training. I continue to search for the Unified Theory of Arm wrestling Training, but I think I discovered an axiom that "idle time inhibits tendon recovery" I believe what the Russians termed "Active Rest" rehabilitates tendons. Is Active Rest considered training, recovery or time off? I consider it training, but don't want to knife fight about it. Louie Simmons says "3 weeks off from training a specific strength results in a 10% decrease in strength". He doesn't say if this is a linear drop off or when the drop off begins. With all that said, the greatest arm wrestler in the world has a rest to training ratio at least 10 times higher than my own. What I believe flys in the face of what I know. Great post. if you read a lot of Louie's stuff you will also find that he contradicts himself a lot as well as leaving out all sorts of answers. I personally think he does it on purpose.....LOL Right now I train 6 days per week. 4 are powerlifting oriented, 1 is a weights workout specific for armwrestling, and 1 is armwrestling practice. Occasionally I stack 2 of the workouts into one day so I get an extra down day.
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Post by Bob Brown on Aug 30, 2012 17:28:15 GMT -5
Shawn,
Dont encourage Todd.......LOL
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 30, 2012 17:36:01 GMT -5
A power lifting buddy of mine suggested a certain type of training where you train 3 types of intensities each session every week. I've recently incorporated this into my training and have seen some great gains. Below is what I'm currently using for my AW specific training. Monday: Speed and Moderate intensity Thursday: High Intensity (Table time with group/ Heavy static holds on a table with Bands) Saturday: High Volume low intensity (normally with weights hitting about 12 reps per exercise) Tuesdays for me are normally heavy grip days and I also do a High volume grip work right after my Saturday sessions. Other routines I've seen work for people are 2 high intensity days per week or 1 high intensity and 1 volume day per week. Anything more than 2 high intensity workouts per week might break down your body too much not giving it time to heal but it all depends on your body. how about rest in between sets does he adjust that? The reason i ask is because i heard MT say something about having almost no rest between sets and only working out a short time all together in the past i have had arm workouts that lasted 2hr every weak i even tried splitting arm day in half doing left one day and right the next with but now i have cut down the rest in between sets about half from before
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Post by Robert Miller on Sept 1, 2012 13:31:39 GMT -5
Great post guys... like Shawn I came from a powerlifting background but not so sure you can apply those same principles.?? If youyou guys are referring to the conjugate methods as I'm thinking then that's way beyond the scope of this post imo... essentially it's changing exercises almost every week while still working the same muscle groups so you don't become stagnant... awing is a lot of repetition and neurological efficiency must be developed first... conjugate is a more advanced training system & shouldn't be used by newer guys. Imo.
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Post by Jim Wagner on Sept 1, 2012 14:14:42 GMT -5
I dont think comparing what works for Rob or Todd vs anyone else is fair. Probably more then lifting A.W. depends on the persons make up. Most people can follow basic weight lifting routines and put on muscle and get stronger. But not everyone can train the same pulling. What I do may kill my friends arms, or vice versa. I over trained for years, and never got any better, just more hurt. I see some of our guys respond like I did, slow and hard, and some like Dave Chaffee take off and do brutal work. Shawn said it well, if your tendons hurt it is time to back off. They stay hurt. Wish I knew then about this, I had too many years of pain and trying to work through it.
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Post by Robert Miller on Sept 1, 2012 14:33:23 GMT -5
I think it's similar to what John Wilson has said on other post regarding training & recovery. It's impossible to be 100% trained & 100% recovered at the same time... it makes sense imo. It's ok to get tore down a little between tourneys if you will... just not to the point of injury. the goal should be to be fully recovered before a tourny!! Bottom lIne... Gotta listen to yer body!
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Post by Bull Dog Madore on Sept 2, 2012 10:30:03 GMT -5
I really like the idea that everyday you're doing something. It's soo hard for me to FORCE myself to take a day off during the week when i'm not feeling hurt or extremely sore. I think that "Active Rest" as Todd mentioned is worth giving a try on my "off days". I know that I have to listen my body and keep in tuned to my performance and red flags as indicated by so many on this thread. I also understand what Rob was saying about the laborers doing their everyday routine will get them strong but once the body has adapted to that level of resistance it plateaus unless the intensity is changed and the body is put through more. Sooo much great information on this thread and again I appreciate all the awesome insights, facts, and anecdotal accounts.
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