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Post by Nate Gagnon on Jan 23, 2013 19:15:43 GMT -5
I am curious what are the qualifications and rules that are set in place to make sure a novice division is for true "novices" and not trophy collectors that go to tournaments, pull novices and just keep walking away with first place trophies.
I want to hold novice divisions at my tournaments but I want to be sure that its for legitamate new comers.
Tips/advice/rules, etc would be helpful!
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Post by Justin "Bama Bull" Bishop on Jan 23, 2013 19:23:09 GMT -5
IMO if you've won 3 novice classes you shouldn't pull novice.
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Post by John Milne on Jan 23, 2013 19:34:48 GMT -5
If you've won one novice class its over for you. Pull open after that. Take your licks like the rest of us.
jmo
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Post by jasonthomas on Jan 23, 2013 19:57:39 GMT -5
Being that im not even a novice yet i am curious to hear some of the responses so i know what to look forward to
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Post by John Wilson on Jan 23, 2013 20:03:23 GMT -5
Novice is where you learn to pull safely. Pull Novice a few times until you know how to stay in a safe position. Like Milne said above, once you win a Novice class it's time to move on. Novice is a safety zone where you learn against other rank beginners.
Amateur is where you can learn a few techniques in a relatively guarded environment. I am of the firm belief that staying in the Amateur class too long hurts more than helps. No amount of pulling other amateurs prepares you to pull agains Pros / Open pullers. But while you are getting your butt handed to you in the Opens, Ams is a good place to pull for a little while so you can try the stuff you've been practicing. The guys in the Open class aren't super humans, they just know what they are doing.... because they pull Opens against other Open class pullers. You can't learn that in the Ams.
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Post by Robert Miller on Jan 23, 2013 20:05:58 GMT -5
agreed w/ Justin & John... after winning 1-2 novice classes it's time to step.up! never understood guy's pulling year's in novice class & not wanting to step up and challenge themselves!??
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Post by John Wilson on Jan 23, 2013 21:43:12 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I am saying that Novice and Amateur are two different things.
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Post by Jeremy Petruncio on Jan 23, 2013 22:25:54 GMT -5
I feel if you sweep a whole class then thats your tall tail sign to move up to the pros. Or move up to a heavier weight class.
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Post by michaelmeador on Jan 23, 2013 22:36:30 GMT -5
If you don't stand at the table all awkward with your feet and A$$ 4 feet away from the table, You're not a Novice.
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Post by David Owens on Jan 24, 2013 0:50:43 GMT -5
There is no universal guideline in place, mainly because no one wants to sit down and come to an agreement on the issue and go with it.
Rules that are in place, and sometimes are implemented
USAA - win one novice class and your out, left and right separate, may move up weight
AAA - win 3 novice classes and your out, regardless of weight class or arm
NFA - 12 wins in tournament competition and you are no longer a novice.
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Post by michaelmeador on Jan 24, 2013 0:56:15 GMT -5
Do away with novice in general, problem solved ..
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Post by Anthony Letterio on Jan 24, 2013 7:44:31 GMT -5
For me i been pulling for two years and i feel i know what i am doing now. I have placed several times 2nd, 3rd, 4th but never won!! Some have said to move up i really dont want to till i win. I do pull open classes as well but never got anything higher than 3rd. I do pull masters as well.
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Post by Nate Gagnon on Jan 24, 2013 9:37:21 GMT -5
Thanks for some of the great feedback, my first time pulling novice at a tournament I pulled a kid that won our weight class, the class above us and he placed high in the open, then I see results from other tournaments and he was allowed to pull in other novice classes after that tournament. And with some research, I found he'd won his novice class on other occasions prior to me pulling him.
As a promoter I want to try to keep this from happening at my events. I want to encourage new people to try the sport out and help our sport grow--not have people discouraged by someone pulling in a class they have no business being in.
Thanks again guys!!
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Post by Christopher Philips on Jan 24, 2013 9:55:45 GMT -5
Novice means its a class for beginers. Once a person becomes cordinated to armwrestling they are no longer a novice. Regardless of what place they take. I have a brother who has never been to a tourniment, but because he has been training with some pros he will never see a novice class for him. We will see how he does in an ameture. If he does well there he will shoot straight to the open/pro.. Imo any trophy or medal in the open is more rewarding than a first place trophy in the novice, or ametures.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jan 24, 2013 9:55:48 GMT -5
If you don't stand at the table all awkward with your feet and A$$ 4 feet away from the table, You're not a Novice. hahaha... Exactly ! My first event I never saw an AW table before it was time to pull... That's exactly how I did too. I see " novices" lining up, fighting for grip, climbing, applying back pressure... All coiled up...I have seen perfect toprolls, transitions and hits... C'mon man, you been around an AW table a few hundred times and probably smoke everyone you know outside the sport. Just because you can't trophy in an open doesn't qualify you as a novice. If they know what they are doing mechanically and know safe pulling.... You aren't a novice I don't care how many wins you don't have |
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