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Post by Denise Wattles on Jun 21, 2006 0:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by Catherine Zmoos on Jun 21, 2006 1:58:59 GMT -5
Hi Denise,
To qualify for the Arnolds we have only 2 possibilities here in Europe, both in UK.
Why don't you consider to have a third one like International Tournament of Belgium or Over the Top in Germany ??
UK is quite expensive for us and a lot of european pullers will not take part because of this. Belgium and Germany tournaments are cheaper and at least as much important as the Iron Arm.
Thanks for your reply.
Catherine
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Post by Denise Wattles on Jun 21, 2006 9:43:06 GMT -5
Hi Catherine,
As it is now, for 2007, the qualifying tournaments have been set up. We may be able to consider the tournament in Germany for 2008. Who is the director of the tournament?
Denise
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Post by Pascal Girard on Jun 21, 2006 21:08:11 GMT -5
Or Denise,
Even my tournament, its one of the biggest in europe about the international venue...
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Post by Florian Kellersmann on Jun 22, 2006 3:50:13 GMT -5
Hi Catherine, As it is now, for 2007, the qualifying tournaments have been set up. We may be able to consider the tournament in Germany for 2008. Who is the director of the tournament? Denise Hi Denise, the organizer from the Over the Top tournament changes. The last years it was Olaf Köppen. wob44@aol.com This year it's Camilla Kattström. bonebraker_de@yahoo.de It's not sure who will be organize the event next year, probably Olaf again. The best thing would be to contact Robert Kornek as our President about this topic. Flo |
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Post by Catherine Zmoos on Jun 22, 2006 4:02:06 GMT -5
HI Denise, Thanks for your reply. But I don't see where is the problem to set a third tournament as qualifyer... Last year many persons (europeans) were qualified from the ARM WARS. How many have participated to the Arnolds ?? 2! Pascal and Andy. If a third one was considered as a qualifyer for the Arnolds, it would promote the tournament and you would have 4-5 europeans to your tournament... not more than this. Are you afraid that a lot of european would come and WIN ??  Thanks for considering again Pascal proposal or Camilla. Catherine |
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Post by Denise Wattles on Jun 22, 2006 9:33:19 GMT -5
Catherine,
If I was afraid that the Europeans would win I wouldn't have used any tournaments in Europe as qualifiers. Previously only select athletes from Japan and Canada were invited and Europe wasn't included at all. Pascal, when is your tournament next year?
FYI, it isn't cheap for us in the U.S. to travel to the events here either, but the athletes do it.
Denise
P.S. - Alan Greaves also competed.
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Post by Catherine Zmoos on Jun 22, 2006 9:52:44 GMT -5
Denise,
I was kidding about the europeans winning at the arnolds... ;D
If not this year, at least next year at Pascal's. Thanks.
Catherine
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Post by Pascal Girard on Jun 22, 2006 12:11:36 GMT -5
Hi Denise,
It will be the 7 of april
gladiator's night 8
thank you
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Post by Neil Pickup on Jun 23, 2006 2:11:00 GMT -5
Hi Guys, as a neutral here I can tell you that yes many Europeans Qualified last year at ARM WARS and have again this year. Catherine, you need to see the format and structure of the Arnold's before casting too many suggestions I feel. There is a set amount of time, thats why the domestic pullers must ALSO qualify. Secondly mate, Vegas is actually bigger in terms of field and toughness as an event than Arnolds and it was OPEN entry (no need to qualify).  soooooooooooo..................... Where were all the brave European's................  I can't recall actually seeing Tod Hutchins shaking either thinking about it Its cost cost and cost that kept them away that and in some cases a distinct lack of that Armwrestling industry essential........SPUDS !!!   Like anything else they all wanted to see how other top class spud having Europeans who could afford to go at that time faired, before weighing up the situation in 2007 Nextally ;D ;D England is not expensive for the European Internationals to get too either £40-50 to fly form Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, France and Norway. America IS If I was recommending another International Qualifier tournament as well as ARM WARS and you wanted Tough Europeans. Then Nemiroff Cup would be the one !!! ;D Thats the one in Poland with all the MONSTERS IN IT !!! Golden Arm Bansko Open Gladiators Night Over The Top Senec Hand or the Russian or Ukranian Nationals ;D ;D some real tough lads n lasses in there too..................................... and it will still be expensive for us to get to the States ;D I'm not having a pop here..... thats just the reality Catherine............ There has been a greater degree of interest from the European qualifiers about Arnolds 2007 after ARM WARS which I expected. If you doubt what I have stated then ask the guys who DID qualify for Arnolds as well as Andy and Pascal (n while you are asking them that also ask all those guys you know why they don't pull in Vegas, Nemiroff Cup etc. some English guys even fear ARM WARS too when it RIGHT HERE on their doorstep. People don't like the risk of defeat.............END OF  ) Denise deserves praising for letting Europeans have a shot at Arnolds, I am very pleased thats happened. Look to the Europeans as to why they didn't go and look with n honest real eye.............. Cheers Neil |
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Post by Catherine Zmoos on Jun 23, 2006 6:49:22 GMT -5
Hi Neil, I was surprised that you didn't jump into this discussion earlier... "as a neutral" I don't think you are so neutral. You run the 2 qualifier tournaments in Europe... but your opinion usually worth it, that's why I'm happy that you have respond. My point is not about only 2-3 guys from Europe going to the Arnolds last year, it's more about the fact that both tournaments are in the UK. About the costs... Flight is ok but you know that hotels are expensive, food and general life as well. If England was sooooo cheap, why have you had so few foreigners at the Arm Wars? Switzerland has sent a good team because Pascal has organised the whole thing. From the results and what I heard about it, I don't see any Italien nor France, only 1 german, nobody for Czech Rep. or Slovak, nobody from Roumania or Bulgaria or Poland.. All these countries are usually participating to Gladiator's Night, the Belgium Tournament or Over the Top in Germany.  What I would like to point out is that winners at the Arms Wars are not really representative of the top pullers in Europe. MY FIRST AND ONLY QUESTION WAS : IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A TRHIRD TOURNAMENT AS QUALIFIER ? Now if Denise is ok with that : good, the choice on which tournament would be the best... I'm confident with your suggestions, you know these tournaments better than me. Denise deserves praising for letting Europeans have a shot at Arnolds, you're right it's great. Now I don't want to debate about this, we have a tournament here tomorrow and I've a lot still to do... Thanks for sharing your opinion. We will have the possibility to discuss more about it if you come to Switzerland in September. Pascal and the SAF comittee will organise the International Swiss Open. If you book now, flight will be cheap just kidding Take Care. Catherine |
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Post by Robert Kornek on Jun 23, 2006 9:33:23 GMT -5
I´m very happy that ARMWARS is the qualifier for Arnold´s now. I wanted to go to Arnold´s since the first time it was organised but there were only the possibility to qualify in the USA for this.And that would mean a big cost for me.  Fly to USA 2 times for qualification and for Arnold´s.And if I couldn´t qualify the first time I would have to fly again to the USA to try it again.That would be a very big cost for me. Now I´m happy that I could qualify this year in England and have to collect money for only 1 flight to the USA. Hope I can do it next year to go to the Arnold´s:) Of course it would be helpful for some armwrestlers who can´t go to England if Denise could make one more qualification tournament in Europe for the Arnold´s. If so then where??? Thanks for consider our international tournament Over the top here in Germany we are very proud about it but as Florian wrote there is always a change in organisators and venues. I also think that there are so many good tourneys in Europe like in Switzerland,Belgium,Sweden,Poland,Slovakia........... it wouldn´t be easy to choose one. Of course I also would like to be on every tournament but like most of the armwrestlers I have a daily job,a family and not so much money to fly everywhere I wish. I think evrybody must make a choice to which tournament you can go and which one you must miss so sad it is. |
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Post by Pascal Girard on Jun 23, 2006 18:17:35 GMT -5
Hi guys,
To be fair about all this story, the highest level tournament in Europe is Senec Hand in Slovakia, but how many guy of east countries would go to the Arnolds??
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Post by Paul Maiden on Jun 24, 2006 9:33:08 GMT -5
Hi Catherine hope you are ok when you made this comment....... What I would like to point out is that winners at the Arms Wars are not really representative of the top pullers in Europe. i think maybe it isnt fair the comp didnt have as many pullers has normal but the level was still there, Pascal 2nd in the world,Sergey world champion beaten by Silvan,Craig Sanders has finished 2nd and 3rd in the world he also beaten,WISE has been 2nd in the world twice,Neil world and european champion,Mrs Barker world champion,Janis always there and there abouts,Ste Kirlew top 5 in the world beat another great puller Mr Hippin,Robert Kornek always in the mix,Ste Rodgers former world champion again yes the pullers wernt there in force but the level was fantastic. Take care |
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Post by Neil Pickup on Jun 25, 2006 9:24:25 GMT -5
Hi Catherine, if you wanted the toughest pullers then here's a suggestion for Arnolds Qualification.................. Worlds & Europeans Top two or three from each class !!! S O R T E D !!! There you go !!! Done and Dusted !!! Feel Better now !!!  Money is the issue...............plus fear of defeat Catherine, trust me it is mate As for is ARM WARS tough Not as tough as the Europeans, Worlds, Nemiroff, Cup, or Senec Hand no....................!!! BUT Yes its Tough and has been much tougher in previous years OBVIOUSLY this year it was always going to be much smaller in terms of International competitors than usual because we are hosting the Worlds It certainly wasn't a walk in the park though Catherine. Certain weight classes were as TOUGH AS FCUK !!! As for the comment that we haven't had some of the very best at ARM WARS in past years..................... ;D ;D ;D ;D and that it is usually easier to win than Belgium, Italy, Germany or Switzerland as a person who as consistently attended entered and won all of those events........ and competed every year in ARM WARS.......................you need to put down the strong beer n Stop sniffing glue !!! Just kidding to apart from the Glue bit.................. That sh*t screws you right up !!! ARM WARS is tough.........................ask the high level French, Germans, Swiss, Belgiums, Latvians, Ukraines, Russians, Americans, Italians, Lithuanians, Belurussians, Norwegians, Brazilians, Japanese and Swedes thats........ Sweeeeeeeeeedes. That have all been consistently tried and often failed to win........ contratulations to those who have but all of them had to work to achieve their successes in Manchester. Step away from the Beer Catherine ;D ;D BIGADDY BIGADDY BONG Fat Lad Esq. ps. Vegas is tough too !!! get your best lads saving hard get over there and have a go !!! H A R D !!! |
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