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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jul 17, 2013 16:42:11 GMT -5
Don't do it !!! Do yourself the favor of NOT wasting your time to pull novice at nats... You can pull novice at any hokey poke event... People travel... It comes once a year... Pony up and pull open. Why do people set their bar so low ? You know the ongoing comments about nats not being nats because nobody shows ?... Well it is still a nat title... A nat novice title means nothing... There is too much grey area... Do yourself a bit of justice and put it on the line. Traveling to pull guys who definitely are trophy collecting and feeling like winning it means you belong in the open... I truthfully believe everyone I see at these events is an open... If your peg holding elbow isn't resting on the table... If you cap because you understand hand height If you have your a$$ within a foot of the tables edge If you fight for grip for more than 5 seconds... If you DON'T squeeze the piss outta your opponents hand If you apply pressure in any direction other than straight side or down... You have a clue and know the game... You are NOT a novice
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Post by Will Sarty on Jul 17, 2013 16:46:46 GMT -5
Don't do it !!! Do yourself the favor of NOT wasting your time to pull novice at nats... You can pull novice at any hokey poke event... People travel... It comes once a year... Pony up and pull open. Why do people set their bar so low ? You know the ongoing comments about nats not being nats because nobody shows ?... Well it is still a nat title... A nat novice title means nothing... There is too much grey area... Do yourself a bit of justice and put it on the line. Traveling to pull guys who definitely are trophy collecting and feeling like winning it means you belong in the open... I truthfully believe everyone I see at these events is an open... If your peg holding elbow isn't resting on the table... If you cap because you understand hand height If you have your a$$ within a foot of the tables edge If you fight for grip for more than 5 seconds... If you DON'T squeeze the piss outta your opponents hand If you apply pressure in any direction other than straight side or down... You have a clue and know the game... You are NOT a novice ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS POST!!!!
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Post by Chuck Barney on Jul 17, 2013 17:04:12 GMT -5
What's wrong with taking small steps? Craig has been pulling less than a year and has already made plans of pulling opens after the AAA's. I don't think a novice national title means anything more than winning a local tournament in the novice division. But who the hell are you to say it means nothing! It might mean something to him or me or somebody else just getting started in the game. If everybody started out in the opens we would have less people in arm wrestling than we already do. And of all the tournaments to make your so called "open day view" , I would say a nationals would not be a good choice.
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Post by Rinat Haviv on Jul 17, 2013 17:05:45 GMT -5
Bryce Dowdy - 132 ladies Does anyone know if Cheyenne Messer will be there Cheyenne will most likely b there she said
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jul 17, 2013 17:40:41 GMT -5
Well... To touch on your point... If a novice national is the same as a local event... Why not pull novice at the other bagillion events throughout the year and TRY open at nats ... Why waste the opportunity that comes once a year. With that being said I went to my first nats after training about 6 months... And I had the curiosity and mind set of " if I can win a match and not go 2 and out... Just to see if I can compete on that level".... I'm glad I did ... It's funny you may surprise yourself... Truth is legit armwrestlers lurk in the novice... Pullers who could do well in the open... So there isn't a huge gap between open and novices at these events... Until you get to the few elites that pop up. Saying if everyone pulled open there would be less pullers... I disagree... You know what is more disheartening that getting blasted in the open ?... Getting smoked by open pullers in disguise hiding in the novice... At least losing on the highest level we offer is like being 5 round draft pick... Least you made it pro... But losing in the novice creates these false boundaries we tell ourselves that if we cant win in the novice pulling in the open will be disastrous... It's baloney
Hey, whatever floats your boat... I felt compelled to pipe up... I stated my opinions on novice... But if you wanna baby step it ... That's your prerogative.
What do I know... Good luck
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Post by Chris Burns on Jul 17, 2013 17:42:18 GMT -5
RVJ.....$400 for a round trip.....I need a wing man!!!...(i have a buddy who we can stay with...) .....who is pulling 242s and supers??...... hope the tournament is a blast!....
Sent from my SGH-T999 using proboards
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Post by Jeff Janes on Jul 17, 2013 17:50:59 GMT -5
Well... To touch on your point... If a novice national is the same as a local event... Why not pull novice at the other bagillion events throughout the year and TRY open at nats ... Why waste the opportunity that comes once a year. With that being said I went to my first nats after training about 6 months... And I had the curiosity and mind set of " if I can win a match and not go 2 and out... Just to see if I can compete on that level".... I'm glad I did ... It's funny you may surprise yourself... Truth is legit armwrestlers lurk in the novice... Pullers who could do well in the open... So there isn't a huge gap between open and novices at these events... Until you get to the few elites that pop up. Saying if everyone pulled open there would be less pullers... I disagree... You know what is more disheartening that getting blasted in the open ?... Getting smoked by open pullers in disguise hiding in the novice... At least losing on the highest level we offer is like being 5 round draft pick... Least you made it pro... But losing in the novice creates these false boundaries we tell ourselves that if we cant win in the novice pulling in the open will be disastrous... It's baloney Hey, whatever floats your boat... I felt compelled to pipe up... I stated my opinions on novice... But if you wanna baby step it ... That's your prerogative. What do I know... Good luck Novice nationals is full of open level pullers and amateurs that have not had any significant wins. Yet, they are still pulling within the AAA guidelines, mostly. IMO you should pull BOTH if you feel like you could win. Karen will tell you many novices end their novice career at nationals going out with a bang.
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Post by Herbie Walker on Jul 17, 2013 20:19:08 GMT -5
Ill be there 220 open and master rt handed
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Post by C J Whitfield on Jul 17, 2013 23:04:11 GMT -5
Not going to chime in on anything else and try to keep my thread jacking to a minimum. But I agree completely with RVJ's statement.. "But losing in the novice creates these false boundaries we tell ourselves that if we cant win in the novice pulling in the open will be disastrous... It's baloney." Hit the nail on the head with that one!
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Post by Danial Worely on Jul 18, 2013 6:18:46 GMT -5
My first time ever seeing a table and it was at my first tournament I pulled open which they did not agree with but let me and I got 2nd to Lee culpepper then after that I came back met a group of guys the talk me into pulling novice but at that time I was 170 and the weight for novice was 154-209 and I got second again in the 209 at 170 and went pro and never looked back
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Post by Tommy Russell on Jul 18, 2013 6:56:00 GMT -5
Novice career? That's fkn funny. Never knew there was such a thing. There's way to many professional novice arm wrestlers.
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Post by Justin "Bama Bull" Bishop on Jul 18, 2013 7:13:00 GMT -5
I pulled novice 54 my first tournament and open lh won 1st both hands and 2nd to fraley then won overall rh beating Lee culpepper! That was my novice career lol
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Post by TK on Jul 18, 2013 8:01:22 GMT -5
SOUL COLLECTORS WILL BE THERE!
STANLEY / SPIKER / CARON / PENKA
GOOD LUCK TO MY BOYZ!
T/K
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Post by Karen Bean on Jul 18, 2013 10:28:07 GMT -5
Novice is a category that all find we must promote these days. Am I a fan of it? Not particularly, when I started you dove in head first. No novice, no amateur, just wide open pulling.
Through the years the Novice category emerged in order to give newcomers a place to learn and test their skills prior to diving in head first. It has been beneficial in allowing some to take the "baby steps" in this sport in order to acquire experience and skills. Otherwise, way too many would have tried, become disgruntled, and left. And most would have left not from losing, but from being slammed on the table by folks that don't have the sense to know when gripping up, that the person on the other side of the table offers nothing for them but hits and slams them anyway. It must be a huge ego boost to slam someone that clearly is no threat whatsoever.
A "novice career" is no different than a "pro career". Neither are careers in any stretch of the imagination. And why shouldn't any puller finish their time off in Novice with any event of their choice that they are eligible to compete in? And why should anyone attempt to discourage another from doing the exact same thing they do? It doesn't matter whether you compete in the Novice, Amateur, Open, Masters, Grand Masters, Ultra Masters - Right or Left Hand. One is not bigger or better than another. They are all categories within the sport of armwrestling and they all should be treated with the same respect.
If anything, listen to a newcomer telling someone that they are a Novice competitor - just beginning, learning, gaining experience and strength, etc. Novices are full of excitement and pride in their gains, constantly asking questions, eager to learn, hungry for information and help.
Then listen to an experienced puller telling someone that they are a Professional competitor - skilled, experienced, traveling, etc. and when they are asked the question of how much money do they make a year since they are a "pro" watch how little respect and interest they receive. A great number of the self proclaimed pros are quite the opposite of the Novices. They have become calloused and cynical, full of complaints and bickering, they belittle others accomplishments, etc.
IMO, no one should belittle anyone for whatever category/class/arm they compete in or with. Every one of you are in the same "boat" together and none are better than others.
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Post by Craig Soubliere on Jul 18, 2013 10:52:01 GMT -5
Don't do it !!! Do yourself the favor of NOT wasting your time to pull novice at nats... You can pull novice at any hokey poke event... People travel... It comes once a year... Pony up and pull open. Why do people set their bar so low ? You know the ongoing comments about nats not being nats because nobody shows ?... Well it is still a nat title... A nat novice title means nothing... There is too much grey area... Do yourself a bit of justice and put it on the line. Traveling to pull guys who definitely are trophy collecting and feeling like winning it means you belong in the open... I truthfully believe everyone I see at these events is an open... If your peg holding elbow isn't resting on the table... If you cap because you understand hand height If you have your a$$ within a foot of the tables edge If you fight for grip for more than 5 seconds... If you DON'T squeeze the piss outta your opponents hand If you apply pressure in any direction other than straight side or down... You have a clue and know the game... You are NOT a novice Well I been in this sport for seven months and Nationals will be my 4th event. I have no clue what I'm really doing on the table yet I have practice 6 times with guys that know what they are doing and I'm not even close to pulling the opens. I have been advised by a lot of them to compete in the novice and learn the game more so that's my plan. It's a honor for me just to be apart of this great event and I'm looking forward to learning from it. Thank you for your advice RV
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