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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Aug 9, 2013 17:49:53 GMT -5
Time to ponder folks...
I always thought AWing more than any other sport would benefit from seeding given the physical nature of one wrong draw and the top 2 guys are out.
Why not seed and categorize pullers ?
For instance you could use pool as a structure model... They have d,c,b,a... And pro players
A "d" player is beginner, c has some idea, b is a solid player that will rarely lose outside of their bracket... And an a is probably the best you ever seen, just not as polished and consistent as the pros... Pro is pro.
In the end your ranking is solely performance based.
If you are a D... You win an event... Get bumped to a C... If you Start beating b level guys you could move up, but not just one or two wins...on the flip if a B gets whacked by a c or d ... They go down. Losing within your ranking has no order... In the end it's trying to create a good seed bracket and with guidelines could make watching people attain a tier or drop down. Every event will have affect on your status and future spots on brackets.
The pros get spaced apart accordingly... And prob the byes and D pullers as sacrificial lambs... The As will be spaced accordingly with a first round b or c...
If all goes right the guys that earned their spot will advance and the lesser pullers won't have a shark on the b side smoking the losers bracket.
It'll give less accomplished pullers a chance to bang it up with comparable pullers while also giving them a fresh chance to create an upset.
It keeps the stronger tiered guys away til the finals... If they earn their way there.
After each event your status level can be upped or dropped... Kind of how APA works in pool if you guys ever played.
I think this would give more accurate results and consistency.
Plus establish a real un biased results driven ranking tiered system.
Could be very interesting and easy to implement
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Post by TK on Aug 9, 2013 18:20:39 GMT -5
Seeding brackets?
Punishable by death bro... Lmao
IMO
Great idea!!
But the old timers are having heart failure even thinking this concept...
Good luck!
TK
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Aug 9, 2013 18:24:26 GMT -5
^^^ why is that ?... Seeding isn't a new concept
Mind you it's the old timer mentality why we are a disorganized cluster fu(k and calling yourself a nat champ isn't as prestigious as winning the 3 legged race at field days.
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Post by TK on Aug 9, 2013 18:38:14 GMT -5
Lmao.... I thought I was gonna be hung and burned like a witch for separating team mates.... I would imagine the powers that be that collect our money are shivering in thier boots and grabbing pitch forks...
I personally believe we need to climb out of 1993 and make changes.
I like your idea.
TK
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Post by user123 on Aug 9, 2013 18:38:36 GMT -5
What color stars do I get on the board for winning a 3-legged race at field day.
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Post by JAMIE SHELDON on Aug 9, 2013 18:45:29 GMT -5
I approve this post.
Sent from my ADR6400L using proboards
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Aug 9, 2013 19:54:05 GMT -5
What color stars do I get on the board for winning a 3-legged race at field day. Well, back when I won the 3 legged race I did it without a partner... Come to think of it that is cooler than a nat title. I'd say purple...that's the color a knob turns after peg legging for 50 yards |
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Post by user123 on Aug 9, 2013 20:02:46 GMT -5
You're not right in the head Rob.
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Post by Mike West on Aug 9, 2013 21:15:20 GMT -5
I'm an old timer and like the idea, but who does the seeding? How do you get ranked an A, B, C, D puller?
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 9, 2013 21:33:22 GMT -5
Todd, you weren't seeding the entire bracket based on skill level. You were picking and choosing matchups in the first round for your teammates and to keep them from having to eliminate each other. I'm not hating on you, but it's not the same thing. You can't set your guys up based on who you want them to pull and to hell with everybody else in the class.
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Post by Andrew Grant on Aug 9, 2013 23:12:55 GMT -5
I had set my tournament program up for seeding either randomly, by weight or by an assigned skill level. It does not work the same way Rob described, where closely matched pullers avoid each other in the first round. Instead, currently it matches the closet ranked or closest in weight pullers that haven't yet met against each other in every round including the first round. The program could be modified to other seeding schemes if people are interested in running those types of tournaments with this software. [Visit pullers.2fear.com to download or more information about the program |
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Post by michaelmeador on Aug 9, 2013 23:21:39 GMT -5
Todd, you weren't seeding the entire bracket based on skill level. You were picking and choosing matchups in the first round for your teammates and to keep them from having to eliminate each other. I'm not hating on you, but it's not the same thing. You can't set your guys up based on who you want them to pull and to hell with everybody else in the class. Team Soul Collectors need all the help they can get! Lmao |
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Post by Josh McEllrath on Aug 9, 2013 23:47:56 GMT -5
This is actually a great idea Rob, but I see one major flaw. Just as there are two sides to every story there will be two sides to every ranking. Who will do the ranking? What happens if someone is not ranked as high as they feel they should be? What happens if you have a tourney full of D's and C's? Do they get ranked on a curve? The only true way to prove a point is to argue it yourself, as a foreman at work I do it everyday. I tend to play devils advocate probably more than I should, but if you don't get ready for a rebuttal you will get smoked. I like the idea a great deal, keep up this line of thinking.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Aug 10, 2013 6:09:20 GMT -5
Ok...
How people "feel"... It's immaterial, it'll be performance based, if you are lower than you think it'll show in your performances.
This isn't a 1,2,3 type of ranking... Where one guy justifies being over another... It's a category ... Categories to try to create consistency.
If a tournament is full of Cs and Ds... Then have at it random draw... And there wont be an affect unless someone really stands out and maybe does it more than once.
This won't be a loosely fluctuating system... It'll take more than one fluke win to move up and the overall results will be reviewed.
Has anyone on here played APA pool ?... It's a similar system... They handicap and a score can determine the outcome for the whole team. Sure there is sandbagging, but with a little watching and common sense people eventually fall where they belong.
In AW it wouldn't be hard to pick apart...look at a bracket, break it down... Who will do it is step 5... Step 1 is getting the idea to take.
Here's the problems with today's random draw bracket...
If you have bath/brzenk/Marcio/Hutchings... In a giant class of complete novices...
There is no reason they don't make final 4.... They are the 4 best by a landslide, and given placings being handed out... Your top 4 should be your 4 best... Agreed?
In random draw... These 4 can hit early... Sending 2 of them B side... Guess what ? .. One great goes home without even making top 4 while a guy who is still novice head hunting slides in just by bracket play.
If someone else slides in that spot it should come down to hunger, talent and ability... Not the bracket lottery.
Then when rankings come up... Said guy can raise the case that he placed higher in an event than an elite... Then per the guidelines deserves from not being a blip on the radar to tops in the world... Huh ?
The rankings wouldn't shift as much and be slow changing where a level of dominance and consistency will need to be displayed to be moved to a step above your peers or as another level... Which is literally what it is... Another level... If you are on another level... It'll show.
Even on the average pullers end its of interest.
If you get smoked first round... You will be lumped in with other comparable skill levels and work up the pyramid of skill set as the rounds progress... Just like the A side.
How many times you see a guy tossed to the B side just to bump into Bath in the losers bracket ?... It's crazy...
An elite puller in the losers bracket early on stinks the joint up... It cleans house.
The way it pyramids it narrows down to the stronger pullers by round both A and B side...
I feel like this you get consistent outcome and the variable is if you worked hard enough to secure your post or new talent overthrew old. But results will speak for themselves. It won't be perfect out of the gates... But it will be much better than what we have right off... And once implemented... The wrinkles would iron right out.
It'd benefit every level of puller.... And help with the actual rankings themselves.
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Post by TK on Aug 10, 2013 10:00:58 GMT -5
Todd, you weren't seeding the entire bracket based on skill level. You were picking and choosing matchups in the first round for your teammates and to keep them from having to eliminate each other. I'm not hating on you, but it's not the same thing. You can't set your guys up based on who you want them to pull and to hell with everybody else in the class. Team Soul Collectors need all the help they can get! Lmao UM HM....I also kept other teams on opposite sides of the bracket too, so It wasn't a "to hell with" everyone else BTW...lmao and If someone had traveled a long way to pull a certain somebody.....they got em. ...customer service. with that said... |
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