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Post by Andrew Bieganski on Nov 4, 2013 0:44:29 GMT -5
The last couple tourneys I seen and been to I've seen lots of close matches and not close matches end on elbow fouls. I'm not by any means throwing the refs under the bus because that's there job. I really like the ual supermatch rules of running fouls, I wish they and every affiliation used that rule in tournaments. Would take less time and make for funner matches. What are other people's thoughts on the running fouls rule?
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Post by John Wilson on Nov 4, 2013 0:58:18 GMT -5
I love the idea for a whole lot of reasons. Primarily because the guy who is losing can't intentionally foul in order to stop the match for a restart.
Who cares if the losing guy fouls? He's already losing. Why punish the guy who is winning by making him start all over?
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Post by Andrew Bieganski on Nov 4, 2013 1:06:25 GMT -5
Another thing that bugs me is if you pin someone and there elbow comes off before the pin. Idk. Just ranting
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Nov 4, 2013 1:29:45 GMT -5
The last couple tourneys I seen and been to I've seen lots of close matches and not close matches end on elbow fouls. I'm not by any means throwing the refs under the bus because that's there job. I really like the ual supermatch rules of running fouls, I wish they and every affiliation used that rule in tournaments. Would take less time and make for funner matches. What are other people's thoughts on the running fouls rule? We were the first to do that and it worked great..........until the armwrestlers didn't know how to armwrestle without that rule and then just fouled out at Worlds or other International events that used WAF rules. Not to mention fouling out at Unified Nationals. Allen Fisher was the Best 165 in the World and couldn't place higher than 10th because he couldn't armwrestle without that rule. That is why I changed to WAF rules, not because I thought they were better than the USAA's but that it was hurting the armwrestlers at Worlds. |
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Post by Jake Smith on Nov 4, 2013 12:49:14 GMT -5
I think the UAL has shown great judgement in calling fouls. Nothing worse than seeing big matches stop for elbow pops. Great reffing
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Post by Denise Wattles on Nov 4, 2013 13:38:56 GMT -5
If a guy fouls in a losing position he does not get a "restart". Any foul in a losing position is a loss.
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Post by John Wilson on Nov 4, 2013 14:06:29 GMT -5
True, but that's outside of 10 and 2 where he's nearly pinned.
I'm talking about a guy who pops his elbow or slides it off the front, etc, when he's lost hand control, out of position, turned under, etc, and is "losing" the match.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Nov 4, 2013 15:32:27 GMT -5
True, but that's outside of 10 and 2 where he's nearly pinned. I'm talking about a guy who pops his elbow or slides it off the front, etc, when he's lost hand control, out of position, turned under, etc, and is "losing" the match. Even when we had that rule, your scenario didn't stop armwrestlers from finding something else to get a foul and a restart. Take your elbow up too high or gain some kind of position when off or just intentional slip. No way to stop "professional fouls" . Heck I said that I loved the concept but in the end it causes more harm than good. Our ultimate problem came when we went to these horrible elbow pads. Now everyone is trying to get back to exciting matches that the flat top pad takes away. I am still working on new pads for WAF and should be ready to vote them in at the World Championship. |
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Post by John Wilson on Nov 4, 2013 16:11:57 GMT -5
We've always agreed on this.
Using rules as a way to make up for craptastic elbow pads is just like trying to find the perfect hammer to pound a square peg into a round hole.
I do like running fouls though. The guy still gets a foul, but the match doesn't stop. He has to win the match to get a restart, so even if he wins his foul isn't forgiven and he doesn't get the WIN in spite of his foul.
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