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Post by Leonard Harkless on Nov 18, 2013 21:26:04 GMT -5
Today at 10:58am, Simon Berriochoa wrote: Without question this is regrettable and it is not done out of a lack of respect for the USAA. The original dates were changed some months ago but we did not formalize them to the public to ensure it was final. The UAL who is hosting the event was confronted by a conflict with the Host hotel and venue against the original dates that they had no choice but to accommodate. Candidly when the new dates were represented before the posting I did not know that they overlapped the historical USAA event nor did the host, we simply missed it, regardless we were not really presented with options on this matter. If you are paying attention to this sport you are aware that it is changing dramatically and at times in a most unpredictable way. Like with anything our lack of true unity in armwrestling has led to limits in communication, conflicts and subsequently divergent paths, as unique opportunities present themselves. This is going to continue to make the calendar and in reality the sport more and more complicated. My personal apologies to the USAA or any athlete that will struggle with the conflicting dates, it simply could not be helped. We wish them the very best with their event. Simon Berriochoa Unfortunately Simon this is just the latest of a series of UAL stepping on other events. As a promoter if I have a conflict with a date and someone else's events....... I call them. When setting something as important as the Unified we all were very aware of what tournament dates are happening. We never set one on AAA's dates and times, it was always a consideration of who was doing what. This type of arrogance is exactly why USAA left the board. Quite a payback  thanks LH |
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Post by Nate Gagnon on Nov 18, 2013 21:56:03 GMT -5
Unacceptable.
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Post by Willie Reagan on Nov 18, 2013 22:07:25 GMT -5
I don't understand how the date was overlooked. The USAA has had the date set already. So, it looks like there will have to be some decisions made as to which nationals to go to. I understand the frustration from the USAA. This will have an effect on the number if competitors for both organizations. I guess we will have to wait and see who goes where.
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Post by Willie Reagan on Nov 18, 2013 22:31:46 GMT -5
The more I think about this, the more upset I get. This is wrong! It seems like armwrestling is turned into a business and this is a powerplay. The USAA had this national event scheduled for a year. I can not believe that the USAF board allowed this. Was the date voted on at a USAF meeting? If so, did the conflicting date with the USAA come up in the discussion? I just don't feel that it was the right move for the UAL to make. The UAL was heading in the right direction ........until now.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Nov 18, 2013 23:04:41 GMT -5
Go to USAA. If u can't make it to USAA come to MN States  this is pure garbage. |
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Post by Jonathon Hoffmann on Nov 18, 2013 23:51:23 GMT -5
So the UAL saves an event from disaster and made a lot of pullers very happy in Vegas and the UAL is praised but this happens and the UAL is unacceptable and the promoters are bad people... Lol how quick people lose sight.
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Post by Robert Drenk on Nov 18, 2013 23:58:23 GMT -5
Look this is simple! We didn't look at usaa's event log to see if we could host an event, we got the contract put the bid in and won it. The host site ended up giving us these dates! No one is trying to screw anyone it's just how it worked out. This isn't nor was it a "Power" move by myself or UAL so relax and stop accusing when you don't have your facts straight! This is a business and unfortunately dates of events WILL overlap so get used too it, the great thing about our wonderful Country is you're free to choose what you want to do. Those that wish to compete at USAF nationals I'll see you in Reno those that wish to compete at USAA enjoy yourself Not everything in life is fair, not all events are equal. This is business.... Sorry if I'm coming across brash but unless USAA wants to pay our monthly $30,000 over head and $60,000 event bills then the dates the sponsors/ hosts, myself and Bill set are what they are. |
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Post by Bill Collins on Nov 18, 2013 23:59:03 GMT -5
Really Leonard?? this is just the latest of a series of UAL stepping on other events...What event are you talking about..
Why do you always take things as a payback...Harrahs had a conflict and changed the date, sorry but i for one didn't even know when your event was as I don't follow USAA...
It's a mishap an oversight and not intentional, you can believe it or not..
Both events many lose a few from this change but i really don't think it will impact the quality of pullers you'll get at your event...
As you know this years worlds is in Lithuania and either the pullers are going to a Nationals or trying to qualify for the worlds...
In any case i emailed the host casino, but it got changed for a reason , not sure if it can get moved but it's worth a try, sorry..
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Post by Sol "Arm and Hammer"Ingram on Nov 19, 2013 1:41:42 GMT -5
This is simple Robert..why don't you take your 30k overhead and your 60k event $$ and your Ferrari and your lambo and your million dollar home and that MGM jet you fly to spend thousands...and ..PICK ANOTHER DATE ..Moron, slash dictator..bet you Voted for Obama too..
Give respect to Leonard and Denise, I said it all along what kind of person I think you are..PLEASE UAL pullers don't take offence as I am NOT talking about his pullers...Jonothon, Jake or john ectt..
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Post by Vazgen Soghoyan on Nov 19, 2013 1:52:45 GMT -5
This thing was expected to happen... . Events are growing, we are having more tournaments and championship on the calendar....
New Organizations are arriving. Competition in a limited market... .Business talks, money talks... . The strongest/richest Organization will own all other smaller organizations to keep them as a partner or just close them. Just like UFC did... . Evolution....of business in sports in America.
Now we have what we have. And it is very Negative, This is just my opinion as an athlete who usually goes to all major events, including all 3 Nationals ( Triple Crown).
And Triple Crown is destroyed too, at least for 2014.
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Post by Glenn Brooks on Nov 19, 2013 1:57:57 GMT -5
This is 1 huge steaming pile of BS!!! I'm not sure, but I'd bet they are 51 other weekends to choose from. The UAL is nothing more ( IMO ) than a big business hostile take over.
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Post by Sol "Arm and Hammer"Ingram on Nov 19, 2013 2:09:25 GMT -5
P>S ..sorry I used the word MORON Robert...I don't want to get personal, just want to disagree like others on this. Thank you..But you need to change this tactic and date for the most dedicated promoters I know for our sport...
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Nov 19, 2013 2:35:59 GMT -5
Look this is simple! We didn't look at usaa's event log to see if we could host an event, we got the contract put the bid in and won it. The host site ended up giving us these dates! No one is trying to screw anyone it's just how it worked out. This isn't nor was it a "Power" move by myself or UAL so relax and stop accusing when you don't have your facts straight! This is a business and unfortunately dates of events WILL overlap so get used too it, the great thing about our wonderful Country is you're free to choose what you want to do. Those that wish to compete at USAF nationals I'll see you in Reno those that wish to compete at USAA enjoy yourself Not everything in life is fair, not all events are equal. This is business.... Sorry if I'm coming across brash but unless USAA wants to pay our monthly $30,000 over head and $60,000 event bills then the dates the sponsors/ hosts, myself and Bill set are what they are. Bull crap Robert. This should have never been allowed to happen. Your arrogance really shows with the comment about your overhead and event bills. So because you set yourself up with a outrageous overhead and event bill it is ok to screw up someone else's event? Really? The USAF has never done this, never. The original dates submitted were not on our dates. So yes the armwrestlers are free to choose whose events to go to and I hope they can see exactly your disregard for anyone but yourself. Nothing you have said changes my original assessment of how you operate. LH |
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Nov 19, 2013 3:20:00 GMT -5
This is chicken sh!t
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 6:05:36 GMT -5
Leonard, this really isn't my place but just going to throw this out there: your thread for Nationals was posted Sept 4th with . And not until 2 months later it gets some real attention from someone. You hadn't posted any new information, updated the thread, or gave its location and time. A lot of tournaments posted gets changed, moved, or cancelled when they are 8 months out. To me personally its hard to understand your UAL takeover idea. Now there are 2 large tournaments nearly 3,000 miles apart, you may see a difference in turn out, but I doubt you'll notice a huge swing in numbers. Instead of everyone having a big s__tfit over this. Everyone just come out and support one organization or the other, and make June 28th one of the best days in AW in history. |
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this is pure garbage. 
