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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 23:46:20 GMT -5
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Post by Paul Talbott on Apr 4, 2014 7:49:53 GMT -5
Love the strap James! Way to even the playing field I hope everyone starts using ur strap great job!!
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Post by user123 on Apr 4, 2014 8:33:04 GMT -5
Very cool. I would really like to try that strap out.
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Post by Devon Larratt on Apr 4, 2014 10:48:59 GMT -5
The current strap system without a doubt is unfair. there is no question in my mind that there is a large advantage to having the buckle on your opponents hand. 1 is cause the way it is tightened ( a small advantage, and is mitigated by a good refferee ) but the 2nd is way more significant - the guy who has his wrist wrapped 2nd has the "lowest" strap. what that means is that when the wrists start to come apart it is the first strap to come under tension. That means that you get tension on your wrist while it stays in the "buckle guy"'s hand. This is the real and huge advantage that makes the non - negotiable difference.
James - I like what your trying to do, but i think there is a simpler and more effective way. A slit in the strap will still result in different strap for the 2 pullers. What we need is a mirrored set up - what you get and i get is the same thing. Firstly the wrap - Do a standard wrap of the strap, and after wraping the 2nd wrist thread the strap OVER the last weave (the one that comes from "buckle guy's" wrist) and then up to the buckle. This will make a completely mirrored strap. no advantages. As far as the buckle vs velcro, haven't played with it, would love to try it. My worries would be it wouldn't get as tight as i would want it to be, but would love to try it.
Side note - straps need to be wider.
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Post by user123 on Apr 4, 2014 11:29:58 GMT -5
Having been in a velcro strap in competition in MD last year, I can say that the velcro strap felt tighter than the buckle strap. It was actually unbelievably tight.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 14:02:48 GMT -5
Devon: I am reposting James R. response to your comments below. They are in bold. Thank you.
The current strap system without a doubt is unfair. (Agreed. Jerks like me will exploit them all day.)
There is no question in my mind that there is a large advantage to having the buckle on your opponents hand. 1 is cause the way it is tightened ( a small advantage, and is mitigated by a good refferee ) but the 2nd is way more significant - the guy who has his wrist wrapped 2nd has the "lowest" strap. what that means is that when the wrists start to come apart it is the first strap to come under tension. That means that you get tension on your wrist while it stays in the "buckle guy"'s hand. This is the real and huge advantage that makes the non - negotiable difference. (100 percent agreed. I also believe that the buckle itself is an impediment. We do not, however, consider that the bruising and such that a buckle puts on the back of our hand could be a sign that the buckle is an impediment, thus a further disadvantage).
James - I like what your trying to do, but i think there is a simpler and more effective way. A slit in the strap will still result in different strap for the 2 pullers. What we need is a mirrored set up - what you get and i get is the same thing. Firstly the wrap - Do a standard wrap of the strap, and after wraping the 2nd wrist thread the strap OVER the last weave (the one that comes from "buckle guy's" wrist) and then up to the buckle. This will make a completely mirrored strap. no advantages (I am having a hard time picturing this but it sounds awesome because neither puller would be pulled under. The buckle is still a concern but I would love to try pulling in such a strap).
As far as the buckle vs velcro, haven't played with it, would love to try it. My worries would be it wouldn't get as tight as i would want it to be, but would love to try it. Side note - straps need to be wider. [Velcro can get even tighter than the buckle strap. I agree that the strap around the wrist should be thicker but (because the Velcro strap overlaps and creates a strap twice as thick between the thumbs) the straps design I was considering would be thinner at the ends so you can get a better wrap with your thumb. A lot of times Velcro straps come apart because neither puller can clamp down hard enough with their thumbs. So even though it sounds paradoxical, a thinner strap between the thumbs actually holds together even better.]
Thank you for the responses and the feedback guys!
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Apr 4, 2014 18:20:18 GMT -5
I will try Devins concept, James what happens if the referee sets the strap properly with both elbows to the back of the pad evenly? I do agree that you should have your hand cocked back before the wrap if that is the position that you want.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Apr 4, 2014 20:16:12 GMT -5
Tim B again the elbows to back of pad is shlt!!!!! For a guy like me to pull Devon with our elbows to back of pd is a huge disevantage for me I wish they would just evan the web and go from there!Have to say though Lenard has a very far setup
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Post by user123 on Apr 4, 2014 20:20:49 GMT -5
I agree with Tim. Elbows to the back of the pad is a big disadvantage for pullers that like to drag on the hit. I personally like to start as close to the front of the pad as possible and drive the knuckles sky high.
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Post by John Wilson on Apr 4, 2014 20:29:44 GMT -5
The web height is the only way to begin being fair. Elbows to the back creates more issues. Once the elbows are reset the strap tension changes and the grip advantage goes to the guy with more strap slack: i.e. The guy without the buckle.
The buckle on your hand also guarantees your webbing will be lower. That's why you can't pronate effectively if you get the buckle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 21:17:30 GMT -5
I will try Devins concept, James what happens if the referee sets the strap properly with both elbows to the back of the pad evenly? I do agree that you should have your hand cocked back before the wrap if that is the position that you want. |
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Post by Trapper Saltzman on Apr 4, 2014 23:22:51 GMT -5
THink this is great! Leneard in all my years of pulling I've never had a ref set my elbow at the back of the pad
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Post by Pete & Tim on Apr 4, 2014 23:30:47 GMT -5
Tim B again I don't care about buckle (I always train with buckle and strap just below may wrist),I do car about guys with 8 foot long monkey arms(Devon)when your at back of pad! And you've never been to a world or USAF nat that's why they haven't push your elbow back
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Post by Willie Reagan on Apr 5, 2014 10:37:27 GMT -5
I like your way of thinking, James. But to totally change the concept of the strap will be hard to do. There are several things that give advantages and the strap is one of them. It amazes me how many people do not train with a strap. Best of luck with this new strap.
As far as Leonard goes, I am gonna say this. I have always gotten a fair set up when he is the ref. Leonard does a great job in making sure that things are fair.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Apr 5, 2014 13:22:53 GMT -5
Tim B again at practice and james strap idea looks a lot like old AAA straps kinda same conseptz. As I said Lenard is 1 of the farest refs out tjere
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