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Post by Joe Dimino on Apr 15, 2014 17:13:31 GMT -5
Due to the board being kind of lame lately, I'll throw a match out there that I would like to see. Right handed, best of 5, RVJ vs Tullier, who do you got... and save the "this couldn't happen because of UAL/WAL rants.
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Post by Orin Hubbard on Apr 16, 2014 9:09:50 GMT -5
RVJ until the end of time
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Apr 16, 2014 9:29:32 GMT -5
I'll say this...
I've done my share of poppin off and letting my ego get bruised up and in the cross fire knocked guys... Even Craig.
Him and I have talked and sorted the differences but it's funny as time goes by the stuff that seemed so important now seems minuscule in the big picture.
Point, after watching GOA last night, I have a very big and real respect for Craig as a man... Beyond his obvious capabilities as a puller... He has very admirable qualities and is an incredible athlete.
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Post by Joe Dimino on Apr 16, 2014 10:28:33 GMT -5
I'll say this... I've done my share of poppin off and letting my ego get bruised up and in the cross fire knocked guys... Even Craig. Him and I have talked and sorted the differences but it's funny as time goes by the stuff that seemed so important now seems minuscule in the big picture. Point, after watching GOA last night, I have a very big and real respect for Craig as a man... Beyond his obvious capabilities as a puller... He has very admirable qualities and is an incredible athlete. I definitely agree with this, Craig seemed liked one of the most likable guys in the GOA so far. I was a little surprised that he struggled with Allen like that but I guess its the old styles and match ups thing. After seeing Craig walk through a stacked 198 class at the WAL and then beat Janis in an overall I thought this match would be interesting, it looked like Allen's hand was bothering Craig (although Logsden's didn't seem to in Columbus) so I'll lean towards RVJ... |
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Post by Alan Berget on Apr 16, 2014 11:37:19 GMT -5
When you get to that level of talent. Nobody can be underestimated by no means.
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Post by user123 on Apr 16, 2014 16:18:04 GMT -5
I'll say this... I've done my share of poppin off and letting my ego get bruised up and in the cross fire knocked guys... Even Craig. Him and I have talked and sorted the differences but it's funny as time goes by the stuff that seemed so important now seems minuscule in the big picture. Point, after watching GOA last night, I have a very big and real respect for Craig as a man... Beyond his obvious capabilities as a puller... He has very admirable qualities and is an incredible athlete. Weak response. Need 10 page manuscript please. |
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Post by Kyle Darby on Apr 16, 2014 19:23:23 GMT -5
Hypothetically what is the weight we're talking? IMO opinion weight is a factor of relevant influence. I think 198 is a feather in Rob's cap while 187 is a feather in Craig's. A catch weight might make a different result. In the past we have seen no weight limitations where a 176 guy balloons up to 210 and beats an unsuspecting opponent. A 195 catch weight if that was feasible for RVJ may prove interesting. Both pullers are talented athletes with the ability to surprise anyone for sure.
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Post by John Wilson on Apr 16, 2014 20:49:50 GMT -5
I don't see the difference in weight being the issue, not that it doesn't play a part. I think the size and strength of RVJ's hand and wrist are more of an obstacle. JMO
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Post by Bob Brown on Apr 16, 2014 20:52:22 GMT -5
Slip - Strap........Interesting match.
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Post by Willie Reagan on Apr 17, 2014 16:16:36 GMT -5
Both are elite level pullers. I think that Craig would struggle with Robs hand. Rob is also extremely strong and seems to be able to get in his comfortable position. Although Craig can be very explosive as well. I give the edge to Rob.
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Post by Michael Creason on Apr 17, 2014 17:32:30 GMT -5
In my very limited experience I still have troubles coming to terms with the different styles making match-ups. I really thought Craig would smoke check Allen. It just looked like Craig was having an issue with Fishers hand. Fisher seemed to not want him to slip because the strap took away that leverage point he was getting on Craig. Based on what I saw I think RVJ's hand is probably stronger than Craigs and his hook is more than impressive enough to finish the job.
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Post by Mark "The Giant Slayer" vieira on Apr 17, 2014 20:21:58 GMT -5
Tullier is the man at 76-85 but rvj is the king of 200 lbers this wouldn't even be close.
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Post by Andy Freeland on Apr 17, 2014 20:26:49 GMT -5
In my very limited experience I still have troubles coming to terms with the different styles making match-ups. I really thought Craig would smoke check Allen. It just looked like Craig was having an issue with Fishers hand. Fisher seemed to not want him to slip because the strap took away that leverage point he was getting on Craig. Based on what I saw I think RVJ's hand is probably stronger than Craigs and his hook is more than impressive enough to finish the job. You also have to take into account that sometimes you just have an off day. Not taking anything away from Fisher, he's a legend and proved it. Craig has been on a tear, my $$ would have been on him, and I would have lost. Craig's been around enough to experience enough different styles, sure...maybe Fish is his criptonite, but doubt it. As far as Rob v Craig, Rob is the US 205 king and is a big 205...easy choice. |
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Post by Andy Freeland on Apr 17, 2014 20:34:48 GMT -5
Although I wouldnt be surprised if Craig snuck in a straight crazy side blast/half flop pin if Rob missed the go.
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Post by John Wilson on Apr 17, 2014 22:13:16 GMT -5
Fisher's hands and wrists belong on a 300 pound man. for anyone who has never met him or gripped up with Allen, you just can't appreciate that from watching him on TV. Allen is a freak with 35 years of table time behind him. Time is cruel to all of us eventually, and Allen is slowing down some- but his hands and wrists aren't getting any weaker or smaller. He's a lot to handle for anyone on an elite level, much less a normal puller.
Craig is heavier now than he was before his layoff. He is off-the-charts strong, though. He's another freak. People who haven't pulled him could be tempted to think he's just explosive, but that's not the whole story at all. Craig is one of the pound-for-pound strongest human beings you'll ever meet in real life. Having said that, Craig is not a large framed man. His hand size etc is right for his frame, whereas Allen looks like he had a hand transplant from Cleve Dean.
I believe that Craig is the best puller in North America under 200pounds walking-around weight. I think he struggled with Allen's hand due to Craig's style which relies heavily on hand control. That's why I think RVJ would be a challenge for Craig. Craig is strong enough to pull with anyone, but pulling without being able to get leverage makes for a mighty long day. Then you have what happened with Allen, which is hooking to take the hand advantage away. Hooking Allen is one thing, and hooking RVJ is another- because Allen wants to avoid that and RVJ is praying for it to go that way.
I think the challenge for RVJ would be Craig's speed and versatility. Craig can change everything from one match to the next, so Rob will have to be on his toes every single match. Craig isn't going to hit the wall and then keep doing it over and over again every match.
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