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Post by Joe Dimino on Apr 23, 2014 10:07:48 GMT -5
I'm talking true supers here, so Taras and Arsen who are/were typically under 242 I won't count. I'm thinking Travis, Voevoda, Lupkes, Pushkar what do you guys think? I'd particularly like to hear about some of the older guys...
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Post by Kyle Darby on Apr 23, 2014 10:10:32 GMT -5
Bagent, Underwood, and Cadorrette
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Post by user123 on Apr 23, 2014 10:16:25 GMT -5
Underwood has a big hit. I was surprised he never seemed to get the hit last night on GOA. It seemed like Travis may have been starting early in at least two of those matches, but it was really hard to tell.
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Post by Denise Wattles on Apr 23, 2014 10:32:49 GMT -5
Matt Girdner
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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 23, 2014 10:34:43 GMT -5
Maurice Baker
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Apr 23, 2014 10:58:47 GMT -5
Underwood has a big hit. I was surprised he never seemed to get the hit last night on GOA. It seemed like Travis may have been starting early in at least two of those matches, but it was really hard to tell. Don has a lightning hit, no doubt, but travis was too much... It had nothing to do with dons timing. This is why i say hitting and speed are myths. When you pull someone who can flat out contain your hit and overpower you... You suddenly look very slow. Don't know much about the way backers... I'd say from what I've seen Travis Don Marcio Cadorette Voevoda Espy looked lightning on some vids , |
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Post by user123 on Apr 23, 2014 11:06:31 GMT -5
Don has a lightning hit, no doubt, but travis was too much... It had nothing to do with dons timing. I don't know Rob, while I agree Travis was just way too much for Don (as evident by their matches in the straps), it didn't seem like Don was unloading at all. The only thing I can think is that Travis was loading up with massive backpressure before the start, which effectively eliminated Don's hit. |
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Apr 23, 2014 12:32:29 GMT -5
You gotta think... Dons hit has been on point with everyone else... And I'm betting next week it's on with everyone else until someone is as strong as him lines up with him.
This is just my school of thought. My theory is different from most in that I'm not a big speed believer.
I have seen too many lightning guys and pulled way too many really fast guys ( and I'm "slow") that looked like they were in slo-mo against certain pullers.
I asked... Was their hit off that once or was it my hunch that being stronger in the line up will negate that hit ?
When I saw it repeated with the same pairings or the guy who went from fast to slow... Then fast again when against someone else.... Well, I drew my own conclusions.
I'm a believer in getting position first, but a stronger guy with the right line up and angles can almost always get to his spot even with slower reaction time
Don is super dangerous and unfortunately the nature of an advantaged position can make a match look lopsided
when it can be very evenly matched... But we know this.
The public on the other hand believes that they were playing 2 different games.
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Post by user123 on Apr 23, 2014 13:36:49 GMT -5
I agree with that Rob. I do think it is a big mistake to no-load against an opponent that is a known fast-hitting toproller though, even if you are significantly stronger. Hand position and set up are important, but if you no-load and miss the hit, you might not engage and catch until it is too late.
I do not think the same applies to a fast hitting hooker, however. Even if you miss the hit and your opponent puts you into a hook, chances are you can catch in a defensive hook position and keep the match alive. The fast-hitting toproller, however, may get out on your hand while you are asleep and even being much stronger is not enough to stop the momentum of his entire body moving against your finger tips.
I personally like to no-load against hookers and try to surprise them with a big hit, then conversely load against toprollers while forcing a slip and putting them into the straps.
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Post by Travis Berggren on Apr 23, 2014 15:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by Josh Handeland on Apr 25, 2014 20:04:35 GMT -5
I agree with RVJ 100% about a fast guy looking slow when his opponent is just a lot stronger and can contain his bit and win easy. Like RVJ's list too. IMO Bagent is the absolute fastest prolly. Also nutswinging aside, Andrew Bieganski is extremely fast for a super, even when he weighed 334 he was very fast. Blaine Middleton has got to be one of the fastest, too. Jeremy Petrucio is realy fast for 350+ and Marc lowery was fast too. Just a few more USA names I can think of off hand.
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Post by Andrew Bieganski on Apr 26, 2014 10:24:17 GMT -5
Scott norton back in the day was super fast he was built like a house too.
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Post by Andy Freeland on Apr 26, 2014 18:59:14 GMT -5
Mike Todd has a committed, devestating hit. And of Course Don Underwood, who looked to be limping in one of the GOA episodes (unless he straight rolls with a gangster lean pimpin), but ya his health seems to be in question lately, hope he's doing alright. And then there's back in the day, seated, Rich Lupkes rippin arms OFF! That would be my vote, prime shape Lupkes.
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