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Post by Chris Wagers on Jun 15, 2014 22:29:11 GMT -5
What's the diff between novice and amateur? Amateur and pro?
Also Shane Vasquez please message me or get a hold of me.
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Post by Kyle Darby on Jun 15, 2014 23:19:04 GMT -5
By definition a novice has little arm wrestling experience and few wins. After three novice first places in a class of 4 or more a person should no longer compete in novice. An amateur is essentially a lower level pro. Someone who is clearly not novice but isn't a pro level puller. By definition an amateur is someone who hasn't won money.
In armwrestling the reality is there are very few true amateur classes. Generally an amateur class has a mixture of novice, amateur, and pro's. A real true amateur class is non existent in this sport. Just being real. Most amateur classes are watered down with novices and trophy hunters.
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Post by Bobby Sholan on Jun 15, 2014 23:26:45 GMT -5
By definition a novice has little arm wrestling experience and few wins. After three novice first places in a class of 4 or more a person should no longer compete in novice. An amateur is essentially a lower level pro. Someone who is clearly not novice but isn't a pro level puller. By definition an amateur is someone who hasn't won money. In armwrestling the reality is there are very few true amateur classes. Generally an amateur class has a mixture of novice, amateur, and pro's. A real true amateur class is non existent in this sport. Just being real. Most amateur classes are watered down with novices and trophy hunters. Great explanation ! Only thing I may disagree with is 3 novice wins. In most organizations , that is the rule but if you are beating other novices fairly easily you should move up after the first win IMO. You won't learn as much beating people as you will getting beat and you could hurt others. I never understood why some guys try to pull novice again and other I be just what describe above and that's trophy hunters... |
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Post by Chris Wagers on Jun 15, 2014 23:34:33 GMT -5
Great! Thank you guys so much. I wish I would have known this earlier in my career. Now I feel bad  I will be pulling as a non novice at the next tourney which for me will be in Kentucky November 8. Thanks again for the answers. If possible can one of you answer my question in the upcoming tournament section in Ky november 8 (it actually says 9th). If not that's ok too. Thanks again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by Jeff Janes on Jun 16, 2014 8:27:37 GMT -5
We are trying to create a true amateur class. When we run novice, amateur, and pro, I classify them as the following:
Novice: not winning a competition of any kind, first time puller.
Amateur: Not winning more than 3 amateur classes with either hand. Not beating a known pro (competitive in the pro class) Not placing 1st in a pro class with more than 3 competitors.
pro: Have the strength, skill, and ability to be competitive with the best in class and no longer competitive in the amateur class.
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Post by Chris Wagers on Jun 16, 2014 8:46:24 GMT -5
Thanks Jeff. I've won plenty (although it's been years since I've competed) so I guess I'll go pro from now on.
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Post by Bobby Sholan on Jun 16, 2014 14:03:07 GMT -5
We are trying to create a true amateur class. When we run novice, amateur, and pro, I classify them as the following: Novice: not winning a competition of any kind, first time puller. Amateur: Not winning more than 3 amateur classes with either hand. Not beating a known pro (competitive in the pro class) Not placing 1st in a pro class with more than 3 competitors. pro: Have the strength, skill, and ability to be competitive with the best in class and no longer competitive in the amateur class. Good guidelines ! |
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Jun 16, 2014 15:24:24 GMT -5
What's the diff between novice and amateur? Amateur and pro? Also Shane Vasquez please message me or get a hold of me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk First let me say that each association makes its own rules for Novice, Amateur and Pro. I will start with Novice, the AAA lets you get 3 wins or one win if it is at their national and you must leave the novice divisions. The USAA only allows you one win in a division as long as there are at least 5 in the division. So for instance if you win the novice 198 with at least 5 in it, you are no longer a novice 198 and Your options are to pull amateur, pro or you can go up a weight class in novice and pull the novice 199-242 (if we offer it or the 199+) Amateur rules for USAA are this. To be classified as an amateur you must not be a recognized Pro. What is a recognized Pro? A recognized pro is a puller that has placed in the pro division at the USAA National, placed in the open division at the AAA national, placed in the open division at the USAF national, or won money at a top level professional event, such as a UAL, WAL event. We are not interested in excluding, from the amateur divisions, someone that has won money at some bar tournament. It is not what you have won so much as who have you beaten. If I bring up your name to armwrestlers do they recognize you as a pro? The pro classes are open to anyone who can make the weight. |
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Post by Chris Wagers on Jun 16, 2014 16:06:31 GMT -5
Very nice Leonard. Thank you. I may have been ok then or maybe boarder line. But still ill go pro from now on just because I've not placed in very few tournaments and came in first in 85 percent. And that's including some open classes. Of course since I've only competed in 2 in the past 15-20 years so I've lost some of what I had but I've started training again so hopefully I'll get back to almost full potential by November. So thank you guys again for explaining it to me.
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I will be pulling as a non novice at the next tourney which for me will be in Kentucky November 8. Thanks again for the answers. If possible can one of you answer my question in the upcoming tournament section in Ky november 8 (it actually says 9th). If not that's ok too. Thanks again. 
