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Who is #1?
Jul 10, 2014 20:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by Pete & Tim on Jul 10, 2014 20:58:09 GMT -5
Tim B again. Jon was very light when denis beat him at nemrof and in super match Jon. At 235 gets beat by NO ONE!!!!! Ibeleive Dave C is #1 in country and world.
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Post by Floyd Colley on Jul 11, 2014 12:58:10 GMT -5
Tim,there was a time when John at 235 could beat anyone. But I believe those days are becoming fewer and fewer. You can correct me if im wrong but I see him sticking to his weight class more often now and not jumping into the supers. Like anyone, age is catching up. Just my opinion.
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Who is #1?
Jul 11, 2014 15:28:26 GMT -5
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Post by Jeff Janes on Jul 11, 2014 15:28:26 GMT -5
Tim,there was a time when John at 235 could beat anyone. But I believe those days are becoming fewer and fewer. You can correct me if im wrong but I see him sticking to his weight class more often now and not jumping into the supers. Like anyone, age is catching up. Just my opinion. Lol, he just changed to super heavyweight at UAL 8. With that said, of course he's not in the same form today as 5-8 years ago
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Who is #1?
Jul 11, 2014 22:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by Floyd Colley on Jul 11, 2014 22:12:01 GMT -5
He didn't pull the supers last month in Vegas. How do know he's pulling supers at UAL8? Just curious.
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Who is #1?
Jul 11, 2014 22:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by Andy Freeland on Jul 11, 2014 22:47:01 GMT -5
Tim,there was a time when John at 235 could beat anyone. But I believe those days are becoming fewer and fewer. You can correct me if im wrong but I see him sticking to his weight class more often now and not jumping into the supers. Like anyone, age is catching up. Just my opinion. That's not an opinion those are words straight out of John's mouth. He clearly stated he wasn't going to be going to assume the "Giant Killer role" or the weight gain to do it anymore. If he does at UAL 8 that's awsome, means he's feeling good, but he was pretty clear that he was sticking to his weight class as he has proven everything there is to prove and no need to keep putting his health on the line. Can't remember the exact interview but I bet a few board members can. It was over a year ago.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Jul 13, 2014 2:03:00 GMT -5
Tim b again. Jon is pulling supers at UAL nothing about killing giants MONEY is the key!!!!!!
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Post by Bob Brown on Jul 13, 2014 12:00:18 GMT -5
Tim hit the nail on the head.
John hasn't cared about proving himself or being the Giant killer for many many years.
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Post by Josh McEllrath on Jul 14, 2014 0:53:04 GMT -5
With this much discussion it looks as though it could be anyone's game!
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Who is #1?
Jul 14, 2014 22:14:27 GMT -5
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Post by Andy Freeland on Jul 14, 2014 22:14:27 GMT -5
Anyone's game is a fact. Outside of Dave Chaffee there is an elite group of killers who all can win. I forgot to put in my post that if Chaffee is still on the level he came back from Russia, he's #1 IMO. He's an anomaly, like someone on the board said "it's hard to rank Dave because whoever we put in front of him be beats". That quote was from a while ago, it's seems pretty clear now. Especially tournament style. What's next, Dave getting tested in a super match style setting where opponents have a chance to make corrections. Still pick Chaffee though even in SM. I would love to see Dave pull, in super match format, any of the top guys, especially Bresnan. Dave just tears up guys in the bracket, on to 1 on 1 !!!
I do have to say here that even though I understand the entertainment value of a 6-7 round match, I would personally like to see best of three. JMO
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Post by Kyle Darby on Jul 27, 2014 12:25:18 GMT -5
Joe to discover the meaning of my statement you must scratch past the surface and dig a little deeper. Quite frankly the answer to this question is purely subjective contingent on what criteria a person chooses to measure their candidate. For example Andrey Pushkar would be a realistic canditate based on merit. He is a multiple time WAF world champion who continously honors the process and wins arguably the most prestigious title in that of WAF worlds. The argument of who he did or didn't beat is mute because everyone has the same oppurtunity. One might make a compelling argument for Devon Larratt as the number one super match puller ever based on victories, succesful defenses, and quality of wins. IMO a good argument could be made for Bresnan and Cadorette being two of the most well rounded based on success in super matches and tournaments combined. I don't believe an accurate argument can be made for Denis being the best. I say this because people continuously lay down for him producing generic results. There is a small handful of guys that have beat him. He doesn't travel much and quite frankly is some what evasive. Many other great champions have traveled to foriegn lands and welcomed all challenges. Dave Chaffee is quite possibly the strongest arm wrestler on the planet. There are so many variables based on styles I don't believe any one elite beats the rest across the board. Who beat who is irrelevant because it doesn't translate to A beats B so he beats C & D. Honestly based on skill, longevity, quality of wins, titles, and accomplishments John Brzenk is undoubtedly the king. Agreed, except for the Pushkar part. I think he's been 2nd best each hand quite a bit but never best. My original point was that you can't be number one if there's someone that dominates you. A loss here and there is fine, but Brzenk has flat out dominated Dennis. Somebody might make a compelling argument for Pushkar.
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Post by Joe Dimino on Jul 27, 2014 19:52:18 GMT -5
Agreed, except for the Pushkar part. I think he's been 2nd best each hand quite a bit but never best. My original point was that you can't be number one if there's someone that dominates you. A loss here and there is fine, but Brzenk has flat out dominated Dennis. Somebody might make a compelling argument for Pushkar. If he does that again a Nemiroff then it's definatly time for a Devon-Pushkar rematch. He looked leaner than usual I wonder what he weighed in at.
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Post by Mike Veine on Jul 28, 2014 14:42:55 GMT -5
When I quit arm wrestling in the early 80s, John Brzenk was fairly new to the sport then. I remember that he was at some of the tournaments that I entered in Nevada and California. He was very young then and looked like he was barely shaving but he was beating most people and everybody was taking notice. At that time his Dad and I think a brother were arm wrestling too. John B. weighed in at perhaps less than 170 or so then. At the last tournament I entered, he entered several weight classes and beat all but one in the super heavy class and that tournament had some of the best pullers in the world at it. He was using a pure top roll technique then, but after watching some videos of him in the years to come, he changed his style a lot over the years, but he still has such a powerful pronation that it still is the foundation of his skills. I believe that with his body type, he could be arm wrestling at 190 or so. I think he put on weight just to help him against bigger opponents.
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Post by Rick "Lummox" North on Jul 31, 2014 18:32:13 GMT -5
Nobody has mentioned the 900lb red haired gorilla in the room ,Jerry Caddorette! He has been training like a bastid and looking beastly!
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Post by Joe Rozbora on Aug 1, 2014 2:22:55 GMT -5
Tim b again. Jon is pulling supers at UAL nothing about killing giants MONEY is the key!!!!!! Tim,r u going to UAL?
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