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Post by David Owens on Aug 4, 2014 12:59:57 GMT -5
Not to mention the steroids that are being used as well. Are there rules for sports medicine in armwrestling? I attended the ual national championships and the first and second placers were obviously using. I have been in the strongman world for many years so I am no prude. It just sounds like there are excuses being made instead of the truth. Unless gear is legal. I'm not aware. If anyone has any info on this I sure would like to know The first and second placers were abviously using??? You have no idea what your talking about. Many of the first and second placers have 10 plus years under their belt. Are some on? Im sure they are but im not going to point fingers because I dont know. I have never touched any ped in my life nor do I look like I have. Are some of the nationals classes equivalent to a amatuer class, hell yes some of them are! Its about WHO you beat and not where you beat them! And 1 on 1 is ALWAYS a better measurement of who is better!
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Post by Travis Brady on Aug 4, 2014 13:47:03 GMT -5
Actually I know exactly what I'm talking about sir. I have competed for many years around the strength industry and I know first hand the signs and signals of the gear. Your post confused me. You said I didn't know what I was talking about referring to the 1st and 2nd placers using. Then you said they probably are. I don't want to argue sir. I am a realist and in this profession of armwrestling you have to be using something illegal to stay at the top.
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Post by David Owens on Aug 4, 2014 13:56:06 GMT -5
Actually I know exactly what I'm talking about sir. I have competed for many years around the strength industry and I know first hand the signs and signals of the gear. Your post confused me. You said I didn't know what I was talking about referring to the 1st and 2nd placers using. Then you said they probably are. I don't want to argue sir. I am a realist and in this profession of armwrestling you have to be using something illegal to stay at the top. you DONT know what your talking about if you think EVERY 1st and 2nd place puller was using. I can say with 100% absolution that in at least one case you are 100% wrong...thats no arguement its a fact!
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Post by Josh Handeland on Aug 4, 2014 15:55:38 GMT -5
David Owens is right. We're some of them juicing, I'm sure. All of them, can't say for 100% but I'd bet my life there wrote naturals placing top 2 as well.
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Post by Giles Russell on Aug 4, 2014 16:11:05 GMT -5
The new guy (if he's even a real person) is not that far off base. So, ya'll stop being so butt-hurt. Is every 1st or 2 winner on? Probably not. But is there a $hit load of clowns near or at the top of these big money / exposure events that are "on". HELL yes! The guys that are able to mix it up with them clean are truly badass. Some are genetic freaks, most have 10+ years of table time. But, they are the exception. And lying to a new comer with stars in his eyes just ain't right. Ok, I'm going back to the woods now >>>>>>>>>>> Peace
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 4, 2014 16:26:42 GMT -5
Actually I know exactly what I'm talking about sir. I have competed for many years around the strength industry and I know first hand the signs and signals of the gear. Your post confused me. You said I didn't know what I was talking about referring to the 1st and 2nd placers using. Then you said they probably are. I don't want to argue sir. I am a realist and in this profession of armwrestling you have to be using something illegal to stay at the top. Travis, Illegal by what definition? Illegal by WADA standards, probably 75% but by US standards of what can be bought over the counter......no way it is anywhere near that high. The interesting thing is that new people like yourself assumes that everyone is "ON" but the ones that do use illegal drugs, not over the counter, don't last long. The muscles get too strong for the tendons and they are out with injuries. Again it is all what you are calling illegals, the over the counter supplements can get you to make your own testosterone without you resorting to buying something not subscribed by a doctor. The rule of thumb for everything is that there is never absolutes. Just my 36 years of experience in armwrestling.
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Post by Chris Gobby on Aug 4, 2014 16:29:17 GMT -5
Spot on Leonard
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Post by Josh Handeland on Aug 4, 2014 16:58:49 GMT -5
The new guy (if he's even a real person) is not that far off base. So, ya'll stop being so butt-hurt. Is every 1st or 2 winner on? Probably not. But is there a $hit load of clowns near or at the top of these big money / exposure events that are "on". HELL yes! The guys that are able to mix it up with them clean are truly badass. Some are genetic freaks, most have 10+ years of table time. But, they are the exception. And lying to a new comer with stars in his eyes just ain't right. Ok, I'm going back to the woods now >>>>>>>>>>> Peace I wouldn't say I'm butt hurt, I guess IMO the notion that ALL the top 2, or even saying all the first place winner of Nationals, are on drugs is ridiculous, I think it's very very possible to win a nat title without drugs... if you were to say, all the top 5 ranked guys in the World are on drugs, that would be more realistic (although I still don't they they ALL are). I never get into 'roid discussions so I'll leave this conversation in peace.
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Post by Kyle Darby on Aug 4, 2014 19:01:30 GMT -5
I keep telling myself I wont get caught up in these shenanigans. I guess this is a venerable moment. As long as there is competition there will be a percentage of people who will seek an advantage by any means necessary. Personally I have never used roids and never will. I'm comfortable with my natural ability and accept my personal success has a greater correlation with my drive than my opponent's supplements. Ethically we all have our individual convictions. For me personally I have bigger battles to seek. Everyone is so gung ho to point and accuse athletes of being on steroids but it's perfectly normal for an adolescent boy to wear a dress and shower with girls regardless of the fact he has a functional penis. But I'm sure performance enhancing drugs probably has a much broader impact on society so carry on.
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Post by Chris Gobby on Aug 4, 2014 20:54:17 GMT -5
Kyle, you had me at "functional penis".
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Post by Evan Keller on Aug 5, 2014 13:36:29 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by Travis Brady on Aug 5, 2014 14:58:24 GMT -5
We’re all curious about that guy at the gym who’s super ripped and muscular, the powerlifter benchpressing 450+, the bodybuilder claiming to be ”natural” or your baseball teammate who all of a sudden hits 500-feet bombs like it’s nothing.
Well my friend, there’s a decent chance these guys are on steroids. It’s not that we’re trying to find excuses as to why these guys are ahead of us. These days anyone with a pulse can get access to anabolic steroids and tons of people are using them. I’m not just babbling stuff I head in the media here.. I play a lot of competitive sports, go to the gym, got some friends.. and let me tell you steroids use is rampant.
You don’t have to be a Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler to use steroids. Hell I’ve seen occasional 150-pound gym goers try a cycle or two, and I’ve seen people use them thinking they’d hit more homeruns in their coed league softball! It’s not always easy to discern what is legit and what is not, but it’s doable. Josh to say that is ridiculous obviously means you are part of the unaware and you are a closet user. I don't judge sir. I never have. I use myself. Everyone in strongman uses. Armwrestling is exactly the same as what we do.
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Post by Kyle Darby on Aug 5, 2014 15:58:36 GMT -5
" Josh Handleland is a closet user" Sucka you better check yourself cause you're out of pocket. Josh is a respectable young man and has probably forgot more about armwrestling than you'll ever know.
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Post by Kyle Darby on Aug 5, 2014 16:01:21 GMT -5
You don’t have to be a Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler to use steroids. Hell I’ve seen occasional 150-pound gym goers try a cycle or two, and I’ve seen people use them thinking they’d hit more homeruns in their coed league softball! It’s not always easy to discern what is legit and what is not, but it’s doable. Josh to say that is ridiculous obviously means you are part of the unaware and you are a closet user. I don't judge sir. I never have. I use myself. Everyone in strongman uses. Armwrestling is exactly the same as what we do. Wow
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Post by Jody Williams on Aug 5, 2014 17:02:12 GMT -5
No disrespect Travis, your actions/comments are puzzling. I don't know how knowledge you have in this sport, but you should sit back and watch a few tournaments in person before judging. Just my .02.
Oh and why does it seem every new member on this board talks about steroids? Hmmmmm
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