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Post by Richard Gough on Feb 4, 2015 19:03:08 GMT -5
how would weed help you armwrestling and what about people in california and colorodo its legal. think they should do away with testing for recreational drugs and im clean just saying alot of people smoke weed . i can see coke and pcp being banned
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Post by John Milne on Feb 4, 2015 22:08:31 GMT -5
how would weed help you armwrestling and what about people in california and colorodo its legal. think they should do away with testing for recreational drugs and im clean just saying alot of people smoke weed . i can see coke and pcp being banned Are you serious or joking? By your logic... if "a lot" of people juice should they be let go as well? If you are in fact serious I don't understand your point.
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Post by John Milne on Feb 4, 2015 22:15:23 GMT -5
If you are serious about your opening question I suggest Google. There are hundreds of articles there that will show the many ways it can, does and will help performance and training.
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Post by Josh McEllrath on Feb 4, 2015 23:50:59 GMT -5
Got to thinking, how would medical marijuana play into a positive test if you were under a physicians care and had a medical card? Would it differ from recreational use as far as consequences go? What if you lived in Colorado or Washington where it has been legalized? I live in Washington and there are tons of cases being thrown out when employees partake but have been cleared of wrongdoing. There are also hundreds of cases where people tried to claim it was legal but it violated conditions of their employment.
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Post by Vazgen Soghoyan on Feb 5, 2015 2:00:40 GMT -5
Perhaps only me and Simon know about our long time conversation/ discussion of this doping test matter. And as it is official now, I have some questions, because the official announcement and discussion here do not clear some things to me or they are not existing at all. 1. For how many years athlete will be suspended if he gets positive results on testing? 2. Is there money penalty for above mentioned athlete? 3. An athlete gives the test , then need to wait for some weeks for the results. He goes and wins some other event meanwhile, then results come and they are positive. He will be disqualified from USAF Nationals. He will be stripped from other title as well? 4. Are USAF doping test results enforced on other tournaments in America too? Example; An athlete who is contracted with any organization and tests positive in USAF Nationals doping test, he will be suspended from his organization tournaments as well? Or athlete's organization doesn't care and continue business with that "positive tested" athlete? 5. Marijuana. It's not on the list, so it's allowed? 6. USAF does not sponsor/support/pay expenses athletes to attend in Nationals and Worlds , pullers work hard 24/7 to save a penny to travel to those events, but USAF reserves the rights to kick these athletes out even if they are on prohibited substances. Does anyone see any minor piece of moral in such a "rule" of the game? This question is not required to be answered. But there are lots of thoughts in it.... Thank you.
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Post by Simon Berriochoa on Feb 9, 2015 8:58:27 GMT -5
As John indicated there are many medical findings that THC can aid in an athletes performance, the NFL is filled with guys past and present that will attest to the enhancing effects on athletes in many different areas, not the ones most associated with sport, however pain, appetite, nausea, nerves just to name a few.
Please remember that anti doping is never about legal or illegal these are sporting rules and have nothing to do with any state or countries legality of a substance. There are tons of legal substances in the USA that are clearly PED's that will cause you to fail a drug screen because they are similar substances to ones that are according to the FDA are banned. Please always keep in mind these are sporting rules, not societal laws.
So Josh for your question an athlete may approach the USAF now for a TUE, (Therapeutic Use Exemption) for medically prescribed Marijuana, however the USAF is not obligated to grant a TUE for this substance or any other substance or reason requested by an athlete. If an athlete is denied a TUE or tests positive for a banned substance they will be sanctioned regardless of any medical documentation provided as the athlete was obligated to obtain approval from the USAF in advance of competing.
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Post by Simon Berriochoa on Feb 9, 2015 9:15:27 GMT -5
The details of the testing policy was previously posted long ago in our original announcement, this posting was simply about the 2015 substance list, each year we will post a new list of substances for that year. Unfortunately we are having some difficultly getting all of this information on our website.
1 The current sanctioning is for 2 years.
2 There is no fine to the athlete for failing a drug screen as that would involve a monetary element that is not inline with our non profit status according to the IRS.
3 The moment the athlete's full testing is completed, meaning they have been allowed to avail themselves of all avenues of challenging the positive finding, that athlete will be sanctioned, suspended accordingly and removed from competing in any USAF of WAF events until such time as the suspension has completed. The USAF will through those acts official remove the athletes title.
4 It will be up to the sport and the athletes what happens after in regard to what other events will allow. What I do not personally support is the WAF's assertion that any athlete that tests positive receives additional years of suspensions for competing in an event outside of the scope of the USAF or WAF. I saw first hand the ruining of a young, promising career around the application of removing an athlete from the sport entirely in the first positive finding at the WAF.
5 Marijuana is on the banned list as well as THC under the 10 panel testing portion.
6 Many other sports do not sponsor their athletes but they have regulations to sanction any consenting athlete that violates those rules. Again these are the regulations of the game just like elbow fouls or anything else, if you want to participate you have to follow them. At one time in this sport elbow fouls were not a concern now they are, intentional slips not a concern, hence these rules along with anti doping are created to bring parity to the sport.
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Post by Vazgen Soghoyan on Feb 9, 2015 23:35:29 GMT -5
Thank you Simon.
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Post by Tucker Flynn on Feb 10, 2015 10:33:08 GMT -5
Why not test all of top three? Seem's to me like you might as well not even test if you only have a 33% chance of catching someone.
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Post by Justin Kaufman on Feb 10, 2015 19:03:40 GMT -5
Its a step in the right direction for sure! If a person is using and still goes, bad on them and face the consequences. I'd be willing to bet, the chance of being caught will stop many (users) from attending!
I'm also sure we'll hear the "why go to nationals, there's no money", "why spend money for a title" type of stuff (aka excuses from possible users)....Just my opinion.....
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Post by John Milne on Feb 10, 2015 20:51:47 GMT -5
In fairness Mr Kaufman, many non users have said the same thing. With too many other (and bigger) options out there I'm surprised the National events are well attended.
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Post by Simon Berriochoa on Feb 11, 2015 10:27:12 GMT -5
Why not test all of top three? Seem's to me like you might as well not even test if you only have a 33% chance of catching someone. Testing is expensive, historically the WAF version costs about 250 Euros a test, (the sudden downfall of the Euro obviously makes an impact to the calculation in USD, but this was back when the Euro was 1.36 to the dollar). If the dollar and Euro are even, that is still $2500 just to test 10 athletes, $16,500 to test all 66 men's open right and left competitors, we would certainly take a sponsorship if you or someone was willing to give one to cover the $16,500. For now we are starting with something we can commit to doing well, while we are working on reducing the costs and trying to expand the amount of tests that we do.
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Post by Justin Kaufman on Feb 11, 2015 18:45:34 GMT -5
I know what you mean Mr. Milne, it just seems funny when guys just stop attending "tested events". I guess after you win a national championship or world championship, it isn't omportant anymore?
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Post by Josh Handeland on Feb 11, 2015 19:07:11 GMT -5
^ I think that's the way some look at it.
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Post by Robin the manhandler Chandler on Feb 12, 2015 6:46:50 GMT -5
So your not even testing any of the women's classes?
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