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Post by Nate Gagnon on Mar 9, 2015 10:39:09 GMT -5
Nate, your tournaments keep getting better, Thatcher's was packed! There were so many amateurs Saturday that we had to hold the pro classes to try and catch up, that seems pretty positive to me. Especially with the amount of classes that you had, women and kids and we all got out of there on time. You're a real pro Nate and Team Dungeon appreciates all you do. Thank you Seth, I appreciate your continued support of 207Armsports events. Team Dungeon was in full force and it was great to have such support from all over New England....hope to see you all on June 6th for the 4th Annual Maine Call to Arms
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Post by Debbie Banaian on Mar 9, 2015 11:30:38 GMT -5
Tim, Do you want my husband to apologize to the other competitor or me? I will certainly speak to my FB friend and if in some way I offended her we will resolve it. In fact we'll discuss sportsmanship in several of the matches that either of us were involved, either together or with other competitors, beit first timers or pros. Is that all this is about or is there something else you want to air so you can be done with this? If so I encourage you to do so via message but if not that's fine if it leads to a resolution.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 9, 2015 15:49:27 GMT -5
Tim B again don't know why your husban would say sorry for,he seemed like good guy, and no need to talk about what happened in that match myself and lexies father were standing right there. So that being said you just won't get it so in that case I wasteing my time with you so have good life and as long as it stops here you will here no more from me about it!!! P.S. Just wondering why you didn't answer Karen Beans question.
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Post by Debbie Banaian on Mar 9, 2015 16:04:24 GMT -5
I did answer Karen Beans question but didn't think I'd bother everyone else with my answer... I messaged it to her but if you are interested Tim you are welcome to it, it's no secret as you could do the work and find it on the results, eh? Let me know considering I've already looked them up I'm happy to post it...
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Post by Justin Vannah on Mar 9, 2015 16:07:52 GMT -5
Nate, your tournaments keep getting better, Thatcher's was packed! There were so many amateurs Saturday that we had to hold the pro classes to try and catch up, that seems pretty positive to me. Especially with the amount of classes that you had, women and kids and we all got out of there on time. You're a real pro Nate and Team Dungeon appreciates all you do.
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Post by Justin Vannah on Mar 9, 2015 16:10:02 GMT -5
I don't know why it just quoted you Seth but I wanted to say it was good to meet you looking forward to getting down your way soon take care buddy!
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Post by Debbie Banaian on Mar 9, 2015 16:58:25 GMT -5
Last response Tim,
After looking at the # of my team mates and others in the arm wrestling world that I thought were friends, you are apparently right dude. So either one of two things must be true: I must suck as much as you say, be the vile sloth you portray because not a single one can vouche for me otherwise hence my intentions must have been insincere or it just important enough to anyone else that my character is being questioned. So I'll tell ya what. This doesn't seem like a fight I care to fight. I'll send ya the answer for Karen's question in private. You scrutinize how you see fit, post it, burn it, whatever but I'm out~
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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 10, 2015 15:14:53 GMT -5
Not Tim B.
Tim you're a bully.
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Post by Scott Lewis on Mar 10, 2015 15:41:09 GMT -5
The majority of people on this board do not know me. I’m new to the sport, but have made many friends and acquaintances in just a few short months. There may be some who will read this and ask; “Who the hell is this guy, and why is he getting involved?” Frankly, I am ashamed of myself for not speaking up sooner. Truth be told, since Tim’s initial calling out of Deb, I have written three separate responses to the ongoing banter. Wisdom has kept me from posting them on this thread. I learned long ago to not speak when angry. Regardless of how right one may believe they are, making a case when emotions are high, only begs to display ignorance. With that being said, and knowing now, the mindset that Deb is in, I can only hope this post does not appear insincere, or an afterthought. I can assure you it is neither. I have spent my entire adult career fighting injustice; whether it is in known, or unknown, wars overseas, or on the streets of our own country. Or, even as a kid when I used my fists to stick up for the kid being bullied. Today, my biggest pet peeve is sh** talk from behind a keyboard. Given the nature of this open letter, maybe, I am a hypocrite. My intent here is not to pick a side. To do so would be to incorrectly believe I know all the facts from both Tim and Deb’s position. I do, however, hope that everyone is capable of recognizing a cheap shot when they see one. It doesn’t matter if you agree with Tim’s, or Deb’s point of view. The issue here, is that someone felt the need to vent their anger on an open forum and make a personal attack. Although I have seen Tim in person, and I am certainly aware of his exceptional arm wrestling skills on a global level, I have never spoken with him. I cannot attest to who he is, off the table. I can, however, attest to Deb’s character. I met Deb at my first practice just five months ago. I understood from the start that she can be vocal. But I have also witnessed, over the months, that she goes above and beyond to help anyone who wants her help. I watched as she spent hours working with my daughter, when she should have been training for the WAL meet, in Louisiana. I’ve seen her organize and volunteer her time (and money) at women’s arm wrestling workshops. The best was a recent workshop in Manchester, NH where nearly the entire team showed up to support her. Not because we were told to; rather, because we wanted to because we believed in her mission and respected her effort. That does not sound to me like a team who wants nothing to do with her. If each of us took an honest look at ourselves and asked, “What have I done to promote the sport,” I doubt many could compare to Deb. And, I’m not talking about wearing a t-shirt, placing a sticker on your truck, and driving six hours to a tournament so you can go home with a trophy and $200. To me, that’s nothing special. What is special, is going above and beyond, without being asked. I took the time to write because this sport has given me so much in just the few short months I have been competing. What I am here to say is that there is a charismatic mountain of a man, who happens to be a phenomenal arm wrestler, of worldwide recognition, and whose words have the ability to do good things; and there is an enthusiastic, passionate, and outspoken woman who has chosen to volunteer her time in an effort to entice other women to join our sport, and for the promoters to offer appropriate classes for those women to enter. The politics and marketing of a pro arm wrestler, I presume, is a learning process in the same way a voice for female arm wrestlers is. Differences, such as what precipitated this thread, are best suited for private conversation. If that is impossible, but you truly care more about this sport than the self-gratification of venting your thoughts, then this thread should END here. A continuation will do nothing but divide the ranks. Still feel the need to fight? Then, get in a steel cage, or pick up an M4 and hunt ISIS. It will be more impressive than cheap talk. It comes down to what you want your legacy to be. A world class competitor with strong character and professional demeanor? A voice that inspires women to compete in a male-dominated sport? I, for one, know what I’m capable of. Whether it’s behind the barrel of a 338 Lapua, on a MMA mat, or behind a keyboard. But none of that matters if I lose my composure and run my mouth out of malice. That isn’t the legacy I want to leave behind. We can be angry. We can disagree. And, it’s okay to dislike someone. How we handle those issues says more about our own character than it does the person we are condemning. Because of Tim’s stature in this sport, he has the ability to build, or destroy, with nothing more than his words. I challenge you, Tim, to not take lightly the fact that so many people look up to you because of your accomplishments on the table. Deb, I challenge you to keep moving forward. Never allow the opinion of another to pull you out of the fight. I know a particular thirteen year-old girl who idolizes you, and is grateful for the time you have invested in her. I suspect many others feel the same. I am done with jamming my two cents down everyone’s throat. I look forward to watching Tim on the table. And, I can only hope Deb continues to advocate for women’s arm wrestling. Mostly, though, I hope this thread, now, goes silent. ****
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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 10, 2015 20:08:06 GMT -5
Tim B again. Scot somehow you se an injustest were there was only an attempt to correct 1, once again I said what I had to say at the show to deb and her husband who I thought was a nice guy. This is going back a few months and just ended here, so know that I talked to many people before I made my judgement and I'm far from hideing behind a keyboard. So your MMA threat or your 338. Threat dosnt move me a hole lot.I deal with threats and violance for a liveing and have for sum years. So please check your facts and shouldn't threaten on open forumnot good thing!!!!
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Post by Scott Lewis on Mar 10, 2015 22:46:59 GMT -5
Tim, this is the last I will respond on this thread. And, I'm only doing so to clarify. Please don't interpret my words as a threat. That was not my intent, nor is it my style. Honorable military, and police, service are the only things I have done in my life. If I was a successful arm wrestler, writer, NASCAR driver, or anything else, I would have used them as an example instead. Unfortunately, my life has been very one dimensional. My point, and I'm sorry you didn't see it, was that I would like people to remember me for the good things and not for the times I have stepped on my dick. It was a reference to legacy, nothing more. Your legacy, sir, will go down as one of the top arm wrestler's in the world. What is added to that, only you control. I wish you continued success, Tim. All this BS aside, it's still awesome watching you on the table.
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