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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Apr 13, 2007 20:19:32 GMT -5
I was thinking about some of the tournaments I have been to,and have come to the conclusion that too many top pullers are eliminated from the trophy or money rounds due to top pullers clashing early on. Would it be wrong to say that if we seeded we would see consistent outcome? I believe we would,and think it should be incorporated.
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Post by Russell Stark on Apr 14, 2007 10:22:38 GMT -5
It would be great for the build up at the end of a tournament...
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 14, 2007 12:23:30 GMT -5
i agree to an extent.... yes top pullers who are worthy of 3rd or even 2nd place might be eliminated too early....
this is a selfish sport.....i believe the remedy os for 1st place to get all or most of the cash
It is 1st place that aways deserves it
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Post by Mat Helmer on Apr 14, 2007 12:25:37 GMT -5
I was thinking about some of the tournaments I have been to,and have come to the conclusion that too many top pullers are eliminated from the trophy or money rounds due to top pullers clashing early on. Would it be wrong to say that if we seeded we would see consistent outcome? I believe we would,and think it should be incorporated. Sounds like a great idea!
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Post by Justin Kaufman on Apr 14, 2007 12:29:30 GMT -5
This was an idea on another post, that my brother Chris wrote. I think it makes sense. He even said he could set up a database or something to keep track of "WINS AND LOSSES." With wins and losses, you wouldn't get seeded by someones opinion on where you should be ranked or at random.
The only thing is is everyone from every orginization would need to submit there own "WIN ,LOSS" sheet. Something to think about.
(Quoted from Chris Kaufman on "Do brackets change the outcome") I think the only way to do the seeding is to keep track of everyone's records throughout the year. I personally don't think it would be that bad of an idea, just a ton of work. You could start out at the first of next year with everyone at 0-0 and from the start somehow keep track of all the brackets of each tournament that is posted on the board. Eventually the elite will become the top seeds in the brackets anyway. Just go strictly on records to seed pullers. That way you could also have more accurate rankings, and you could even split it up into regions and Pro/Amature/Novice if you wanted. It would basically make everything as legitimate is it could be. Also it would make for some good challenge matches. You could even have a true nationals tournament, like the top 4 pullers from each region. There are obviously some flaws, like what if one region is more stacked than the other, but if it works for the NFL it could work for armwrestling. Like I said it would be quite of bit of work, but it could be done, people do it in pretty much every other sport. Hell they even do it for online gaming. I think I see what you're trying to say though Gary.
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Post by Willie Reagan on Apr 14, 2007 18:25:07 GMT -5
Seeding, means that competitors will have to be ranked. It is way too hard to rank people fair enough to seed them. JMO
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Post by chrislydman on Apr 14, 2007 18:53:14 GMT -5
I respect Rob alot, he's a good sportsman. I agree with Wille, let the chips fall, and pull. Rob, you'd come out on top ranked our not!
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Post by Justin Kaufman on Apr 15, 2007 11:11:26 GMT -5
You wouldn't have to rank them if it was purely "win and loses." This would also get guys to pull more in my opinion. If you only pull a couple times a year, you would be hitting the big boys right out of the shoots.
Win and loses/slash seeding would just eliminate "a bracket/elite" pullers from meeting in the first round is all.
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Post by chrislydman on Apr 15, 2007 11:42:54 GMT -5
How would this work at a nationals?
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Apr 15, 2007 11:48:02 GMT -5
That's kind of what I was saying. You could have a true nationals, with the top four pullers from each region pulling and you would be seeding accordingly. It would basically be like a state wrestling tournament. Even if you didn't take the top four you could still seed accordingly. Like I said, if it works for pretty much every other sport (minus NCAA football, stupid BCS) why can't it work for armwrestling?
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Post by Brent Norris on Apr 15, 2007 21:40:30 GMT -5
There is seeding. It's called Nationals (Unifieds) and the tournament is Worlds (WAF)
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Post by Justin Kaufman on Apr 15, 2007 23:16:47 GMT -5
Brent that makes sense, but how can you represent Colorado and wear a Texas shirt? ? Hey Brent!!
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Apr 15, 2007 23:18:41 GMT -5
Cause their shirts are BA (which is the abbreviated Bad Ass), and ours look like bowling shirts.
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Post by Brent Norris on Apr 16, 2007 2:56:48 GMT -5
I like our shirts and will be sporting a CO shirt this year. I will also be looking into making new shirts. Any input will be considered and appreciated. I'm not trying to do away with our current shirts just trying to keep up...
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Post by chrislydman on Apr 16, 2007 6:20:08 GMT -5
You're missing my point Brent. I doubt a whole lot of puller would care about seeding, unless it was a big $$ tournament, or a qualifier such as the Unifieds to go to the world's. Then there would be a whole lot of concern. Going by strictly won/oss, someone could pad their stats with smaller turnout events. Those who pulled few, but big tourneys, with success would be penalized for doing just that. Ranking, seeding, it all comes down to the subjectivity of those doing it. In the NAL situation, Travis is up front, he says he's in charge, that's the way it is. That is very cool. At nationals, a no money event, uh-oh........
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