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Post by jamesretarides on Feb 8, 2006 16:11:10 GMT -5
Well Milano, if you want to debate this subject with me I will only say that the first amendment protects his right to speak or write what he pleases as long as it does not incite as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes suggested in his "freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell fire in a crowded building" address.
On the other hand, what you are doing to Mr. Thames is more along the lines of religious persecution something deemed illegal in this country.
I am not saying I agree or disagree with any of you on this forum but I would fight to the death over your right to say it.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 8, 2006 18:36:18 GMT -5
AMEN! James, on that note. I realize hat i have constitutional rights as does every american on this board. BUT i do not have the right to infringe upon the rights of others, correct? I have the constitutional right, to tell people about jesus. They have the constitutional right to not listen. To not read my posts......thus......i am not "forcing" my religion on anyone. It is impposible for me to "force" my religion on anyone unless i am the federal government which IS against the constitution. they do not have the right to tell me i what i can and cannot say unless i am infringing upon their rights as an american James, as you read the following qoute. please explain you opinoin on "HATE SPEECH" What are the laws against this? Do you think i have a case? This is not and will never be your service, nor will it be your right winged bible thumping holow grounded billboard. You don't get it do you? You aren't saving anyone when you pull this crap...... This is free speech, but dead men tell no tales. You are a riding a beatin dead horse. You make me want to renounce my faith with your one god driven banter. Our father thy will be done. I have denied this life its worth I will not be the victim. Sickness to you my master Here's to getting worse Hope it kills you faster. Show me how it hurts to rot from the inside out. This vigil burns Until the day our fires overtake you. Our father we forsake you. Blessed be his name Nothing now the same. Ask me why I hate Why I've prayed to see the nation that I loved disintegrate And gladly give my life That revolution regenerates. In honor of the strife of those who've died In generations before for your blood stained glory I reject your I deny your I defy you to continue. Smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered. Do you ever wonder if you offend people? Of course not, because you see only one god, one way, and all should adhere to your ways and your religion. This crap is as bad as my church asking me to donate $700 a month. Excuse me as I puke out your petulance.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 8, 2006 18:58:28 GMT -5
Ryan you are am extremist, and don't act as if you are not. . I never intended to deny this. Jesus was an extremist. He died for what he believed in. Peter was an extremist. John the baptist was an extremist, he lived in the wilderness ate bugs and preach to the people, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand" I hope your "reverend" learns this before its too late for him. I pray that he and all those you have "shown" my posts to get saved sooner or later. Jesus was, and is an extremist and he accepts nothing less than that in return. John7:7. The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. John 12: 25. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. Revelation6:16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17. For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 14:10. The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:I hope your grandfather learns this someday. Or i pray that he step down from ministry.Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
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Post by Matl'e McDaniel on Feb 8, 2006 19:06:41 GMT -5
You are seriously a nut job..... I mean come on, you say I am taking it to you personally and then you go on and write something about my grandfather. But thats not personal? Ryan go away and screw around on someone elses forum. You are the worst religous nut job I have ever seen. FOAD
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 8, 2006 19:27:45 GMT -5
What i said about your grandfather wasnt meant to be offensive toward him at all.
Please forgive me for interupting your forum
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Post by Harold "Rattlesnake" Ryden on Feb 8, 2006 19:37:43 GMT -5
You know Matl'e, you drug your grandfather into this and what Ryan was saying isnt offensive at all. Any true disciple of the Lord would never say something bad about someone that is sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am not sure what your faith is but I seriously doubt it promotes hate and wishing death on someone. I too will pray for you and your hatred toward anyone trying to do good in the sick world we live in.
Ryan, I commend you for your faith and your perserverance. Preach on brother....Preach on!!!!
p.s. Matl'e your grandfather said Ryan will learn eventually....What is it Ryan will learn??
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 8, 2006 19:40:52 GMT -5
Thank You Harold.
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Post by Mark Evans on Feb 8, 2006 19:56:23 GMT -5
Thank you Harold! I type slow, your response was exactly what I was thinking. Yo Matl'e if you don't like it, don't read it. God Bless......
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Feb 8, 2006 22:08:52 GMT -5
I so agree and im with you 100% of the way Ryan and yes they are hating when they don't have to read it and i got your pm yes i see exactly what you mean but im here for ya brother.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 8, 2006 22:29:24 GMT -5
Thank you guys for your support. And they said i ran people off
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Post by Matl'e McDaniel on Feb 8, 2006 22:39:33 GMT -5
You brought it to the main topic board..... You are such a nut job. Here comes the religious freaks now. Oh my god I'm on fire...... I'm burning in hell, because Ryan Thames said I would. You all need to grow up and see another side other than what you twisted jesus freaks believe.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 8, 2006 22:46:12 GMT -5
what is your problem matle?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 8, 2006 22:48:21 GMT -5
i posted on the main board to make a point. I posted on the main board to give you something to do..... over there
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Post by Harold "Rattlesnake" Ryden on Feb 8, 2006 22:50:04 GMT -5
Look here Matl'e, You dont know me nor do you know what I have seen. I have not been a christian my whole life and to here my story you would realize that I have seen the hell bound side. You are right about me being a Jesus Freak but I am definitally not twisted. You just keep it up, your true personality is coming to the surface.
I may be a man of God but I warn you..........................I am still a man.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Feb 8, 2006 22:52:02 GMT -5
Go Harold!!!!!!!!
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