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Post by Toddzilla on Jul 23, 2006 17:31:47 GMT -5
at least they were man enough to say without hiding themselves,you were part of it but was not man enough to be seing when you were insulting me. Dude, again, I was not insulting you while in Warsaw. There were others who were, but not me. I know this interferes with your role playing the victim and all, but you're going to have to get over it. that is the "talking to the face" understanding that you have,so your math is so great to make me realise that you are man enough to state your sarcasm behind the PC (to my face  ). I'll stand by everything I've said when we get together for Hanukkah. Shalom. |
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 23, 2006 17:37:10 GMT -5
i play no role,you have been playing the role by making "your butt is your face" thing too big,while ignoring that you call my faith as "your butt".
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 23, 2006 17:41:02 GMT -5
check your pm,and answer me to meet me in hannukah or wherever.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 23, 2006 17:57:57 GMT -5
let us clear one thing, you called my faith by saying "my but",and then with that anger i wrote that your butt is your face. quote] engin when todd said "religion of peace my butt" this is common american sarcasm......it does not mean that he was calling your religion his butt. it is a phrase expressing his feelings that he doesnt believe your relion is one of peace. He did not call your religion his butt. simple cultural misunderstanding ;D |
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Post by Toddzilla on Jul 23, 2006 19:04:30 GMT -5
check your pm,and answer me to meet me in hannukah or wherever. I don't need you carpet bombing my inbox, your PM's are blocked. Ryan is correct, I never called Islam "my butt". Anybody who has read this thread knows that. Then again, maybe Ryan is part of the Zionist media of the Great Satan? Keep searching for Hanukkah, you'll be pleasantly surprised. Shalom |
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 23, 2006 19:50:43 GMT -5
there was no carpet bombing in there.so you do not need to be paranoid about it.
all i know about Hanukkah is being a Jews holyday but why would i meet you on this day?i thought you again meant something else in a sarcastic way as you always do.
as Ryan has cleared that it was a cultural misunderstanding,i would never call you in that way if your "my butt" comment was not right beside my religion.
you do not have to relate this with "Zionis Media".two different subjects,has nothing to do with eachother.just because you wrote "my butt" comment right beside my religion,and i misunderstood this "cultural" thing,it does not mean that i am wrong about the Zionist plans over mideast.
it is a good improvement that you send Shalom to me at the end of your post,so since you did not call my religion in that way i can reply your Shalom with,
ES SELAMUN ALEYKUM VE RAHMETULLAH VE BERAKATUH ( may GOD's,merciful,beneficent,peace be upon you )
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 23, 2006 22:13:31 GMT -5
that looks complicated to speak and to translate  But i hear english is the hardest language to learn....because of so many words meaning different things. Todds "My butt" for example I sure am glad i got to do some good on here for a change like clearing up this misunderstanding........but i dont think it did much good. |
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Post by Mark Evans on Jul 24, 2006 9:15:23 GMT -5
Time out chair. Classic.  I have been trying to stay out of this one, only because I type so slow I won't put all my thoughts down most of which are educated. (Not just made up or my daddies). Engin, always question your information sources, you keep quoting some guy saying Israel controls the United States and we know it? They are our allies, yes we support them. As long as they remain our allies I am sure we will. But control us, I don't think so. Hezbollah, backed by Iran, hides under civilian housing. Very brave; Israel is going to take them out and while doing so those brave fighters get civilians killed making Israel look like the bad guys for doing so. Creating another generation of people who hate them. Slavery- Had been around for thousands of years before it was started here. I believe you can read of it in the Middle East. American Indians- Yes man was still looking for land and conquering during that time in history. Spain-Mexico. England and France- Canada. Those are just local ones it was and is still going on in other parts of the world. Japan, now that's funny. Read about Pearl Harbor. We dropped two bombs; but not before we lost thousands of men fighting two wars. Oh wait it was one big war. Then the American tax payer helped rebuild Japan and Germany and France and England who except for France remain our allies. The last time I checked the United States provides more financial aid and help world wide than any other country. We have a wide variety of information sources many that do not like government; so the news we get concerning world events is not easily controlled. We understand how Oil is power and how we are connected to it and thus the Middle East. You say you live there, we don't. How about the gentleman from Israel that you dismissed as a liar and then apologized and said he just doesn't have all the facts. Yet you trust your news sources like they are gospel. Our soldiers that committed crimes against prisoners are being prosecuted. Are the sick individuals that hide under hoods while cutting off peoples heads being brought to justice? Oh wait they are probably hero's. Everything isn't always black and white, you seem to believe everything you media tells you. We question ours. If you and Todd are going to scrap, I'd like to be there.  |
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2006 9:45:04 GMT -5
it is not that only i say that Israel control USA ,i quoted what Ariel Sharon says on Jews Radio.so let see the things as how they are;
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." —Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
i personally believe that 9-11 was a zionist made thing.as i am not the only one in the world that believes in this.there are billions of people who care to search truth believes in same thing.it happenned because of controlling energy sources in Afghanistan and in Iraq.as we see the results of these now it is the fact.there are hundreds of inconsistents in the explanation of US government expressed about 9-11.it would take hours to discuss them here.
Afghans and Saddam were L.I. s of USA when they were fighting against CCCP and Iran for many years.but whenever these wars ended then suddenly they became evil people for their weapon supporters.
if you questioned your media then you would know about how the last incident started,but that is for sure that you do not question because it is obvious that you believe that this started by Hizbullah kidnapping (i do not know why zionist media calls it kidnapping while these soldiers were arrested by trasspassing another country with their guns) two Israeli soldiers.
it is not true at all,i wrote it many times and i will keep writing as long as it is being ignored.
these started after Israeli soldiers killed a civillian family with kids.then their soldiers also trasspassed another country with weapons.and got arrested by people from this country.
do you question why Israel prisons even women and children? two arrested soldiers who trasspassed the borders of another country and some of them women and children 10.000 "WAR PRISONERS" ?
black and white? that is what i can differ but you can not differ because you think that all those civillians without exception are terrorists because "YOUR QUESTIONED" media,and zionist supported holywood movies says so.
slavery was out of service after Islam came in muslim nations,but continued till the last century in the western world even though the message of Jesus was with them while humiliating people because of their colours and treating them worser than animals.
i was in S.Dakoda with the Indians and the things that they told me was very different than your black and white "story".
they have documents of agreements which promises never been kept.
Japan attacking on pearl harbor does not explain the killings of tens of thousands of civillians with atomic bombs.it just explains the equality of the sides.
your soliders that committed crimes against prisoners are being prosecuted only whenever they are caught by international "none sold" media.hundreds of more crimes are swept under the carpet while it has been known by the officials.
anyways,you believe and follow your facts and i follow mine,and as you meant by your PM if there is a GOD above then HE will tell us what the truth has been.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2006 9:56:57 GMT -5
Engin, always question your information sources, you keep quoting some guy saying Israel controls the United States and we know it? They are our allies, yes we support them. As long as they remain our allies I am sure we will. But control us, I don't think so. Mark, do you not know who Ariel Sharon and Simon Perez are? come on ,you call them some guy??? Mark, are you sure that you are well informed about these subjects?? some guy? some guy? again,some guy?  hmmm,hmmmm,hmmmm.i am at the wrong forum as Arturo has told me. let us see who this some guy is; Ariel Sharon is a former Israeli politician and a retired general. He served as Prime Minister of Israel, from March 2001 until April 2006, although the powers of his office were exercised by acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert following Sharon's massive stroke in January 2006. He fell into a coma and has not regained consciousness since then. During his lengthy career, Sharon was a highly controversial figure among many factions both inside and outside Israel. His supporters view him as a leader who strove to establish peace without sacrificing Israel's security. Many Israelis likewise consider him a war hero who helped defend the country during some of its greatest struggles. On the other hand some of his critics have sought to prosecute him as a war criminal for alleged crimes related to the Sabra and Shatila massacre during the 1982 Lebanon War, for which the Kahan Commission held him indirectly responsible. While Sharon had no personal involvement and no Israelis participated, the investigation found that Sharon was personally responsible due to negligence and complacency. Sharon was dismissed as Defense Minister as a result. Nevertheless, Sharon remained a leading figure in the Likud Party and held various senior cabinet and party posts, ultimately becoming party leader in 1999 and Prime Minister in 2001. During his tenure as Prime Minister, Sharon's policies caused a rift within the Likud Party, and Sharon ultimately left Likud to form a new party called Kadima. He became the first Prime Minister of Israel who did not belong to either Labor or Likud - the two parties that have traditionally dominated Israeli politics. The new party created by Sharon, with Olmert having stepped in as its leader, won the most Knesset seats in the 2006 elections, and is now the senior coalition partner in the Israeli government. |
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2006 9:59:16 GMT -5
and also let us see who the other guy was that Ariel Sharon was talking to ,""I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." —Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
Shimon Peres
born Shimon Perske on August 16, 1923 in Poland, and immigrated with his family to Israel in 1934), is an Israeli politician, former Prime Minister and current Deputy Prime Minister.
Peres was a member and sometime leader of the Labor Party from the 1950s until December 2005, when he announced his support for the new Kadima Party. He was elected to the current Knesset in March 2006 as a member of Kadima. As of May 4, 2006, he is the Minister for the Development of the Negev, Galilee and Regional Economy and Second Vice Prime Minister.
Peres served as eighth Prime Minister of Israel from 1984-1986 and 1995-1996 and Foreign Affairs Minister of Israel from 2001-2002, and became Vice Premier in a coalition under Ariel Sharon at the start of 2005. In 1994 Peres won the Nobel Peace Prize together with Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat, for their efforts towards peace which culminated in the Oslo Accords. Peres has never won a national election, despite having led the Labor Party for many years.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2006 10:03:02 GMT -5
so this some guy (Prime Minister of Israel ) was saying to the other some guy (former Prime Minister and current Deputy Prime Minister) on the some Radio Channel (Kol Yisrael ) that ,
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
i am sorry for not detailing the ID s of these some guys for i thought that people who gets involved in this subject are informed about the "MAIN REPRESANTATIVES" of the sides.
my mistake,i apoligise.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2006 10:18:32 GMT -5
ARIEL "THE BUTCHER" SHARON !!!
Sabra and Shatila massacre
During the 1982 Lebanon War, while Ariel Sharon was Defense Minister, the Sabra and Shatila massacre took place, in which between 460 and 3,500 Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps were killed by Lebanese Christian forces under the command of Lebanese Maronite Phalange militia. The Security Chief of the Phalange militia, Elie Hobeika, was the ground commander of the militiamen who entered the Palestinian camps and killed the Palestinians. The Phalange had been sent into the camps to clear out PLO fighters, and Israeli forces had been sent to the camps at Sharon's command to provide them with logistical support and to guard camp exits.
The Kahan Commission investigating these massacres recommended in early 1983 the removal of Sharon from his post as Defense Minister. In their recommendations and closing remarks, the commission stated:
"We have found, as has been detailed in this report, that the Minister of Defense [Ariel Sharon] bears personal responsibility. In our opinion, it is fitting that the Minister of Defense draw the appropriate personal conclusions arising out of the defects revealed with regard to the manner in which he discharged the duties of his office - and if necessary, that the Prime Minister consider whether he should exercise his authority under Section 21-A(a) of the Basic Law: the Government, according to which "the Prime Minister may, after informing the Cabinet of his intention to do so, remove a minister from office."
Sharon was dismissed by Prime Minister Menachem Begin but he remained in successive governments as a Minister.
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Post by Mark Evans on Jul 24, 2006 10:30:03 GMT -5
Engin, the prime minister of Israel is not the president of our country. He can say what he wants. It doesn't make it fact.
Orthodox Jews are not Christians. I know you know the story, they don't believe in Jesus as the son of God. That's why they crucified him.
All Christians don't believe in the same things, that's why we have different religions and the majority of Americans who don't believe at all.
All I'm saying Engin is that there are two sides to every story. For some of us taking the middle road isn't in our blood.
I respect you views, I just don't agree with all of them.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 24, 2006 10:32:28 GMT -5
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