Is It That Bad?!

[gambit]

I mean come on! Don Imus said something he, JUST LIKE RAY NAGIN DID, shouldn't have said and he has apologized for it. Now before you think I condone him or his ways hear me out.

I don't like his show. Never have really given it much more than a few minutes at a time before not being able to palate anymore. I think he is only doing what others have done and it is now because of his comments towards young women who have accomplished something that one team bound to have done in the season.
I just finished watching the news conference with the team and I was sympathetic to them until the comment the coach made. Even though the team consists of 10 ladies, 2 of whom are white, she referred the anger from just the black girls of the team. All the while she was speaking of the unity of the team and how the color didn't matter, then, yet, she made that reference which completely omitted the white girls. Is that to say the white girls didn't play a part in their accomplishment? (I really don't think that is what her intent was, but see how it can be misconstrued?)

I look at it this way...day in and day out we are all faced with racism - like it or not. We as people, or a nation, should be big enough to let it roll off our backs like water on a duck's back, but some doesn't do that because they know if they create a stink they'll get "more" of what they are after. (whatever that is)
I grit my teeth everyday because of the racist comments blacks, latinos, or any other perceived minority is allowed to say and get away with and if a white person (that's right...didn't you know only white people are considered racist?) says anything then the whole world needs to rally against them.

Why does it bother me so much? Because I have been called a racist when it was not warranted. I have lost promotions and a job because of a false complaint and accusation from black guys. I have been confronted with it more than a lot of people would believe possible. Is it not possible for whites to be victims of racism?


Why is it OK for blacks to make comments in statements, songs, movies, PRIME-TIME TV SHOWS saying, "That pale ass cracker headed fool..." ,"Damn white boy!..." . Then have almost, not all, every movie have the word "nig ger" in it. They are allowed to call one another nig ger, but it not be racist because it is a "term of endearment"? Give me a break!

You see this society has come accustomed to feeling sorry for the blacks because of what happened to them 140+ years ago and this society thinks that if we accept everything they (blacks) say, it should be as something we (as whites) deserve due to their past. All I can say is, go read up on your history and you'll see it isn't as true as you were, and are boing told.

I am not here to speak about who was right then when slavery was around, but instead I'm here to voice my concern, anger, the loss of patience, and provide a suggested solution for this ongoing issue.

Stop having segregated factions and entities such as, BET, Ebony Magazine, JET, United Negro College Fund, NAACP, black colleges, Affirmative Action, and Black History Month. That is to just name a few off the top of my head.
Just by having these things is causing tension and I am starting to think that is the goal. Imagine if we had these similar entities!

What would happen? cady-barr the door!!!

Stop thinking everyone is against the blacks and remember the duck. If being black is so beautiful and grand, why are you guys portraying it not to be?

Don't come in saying I have no feelings towards this issue. I do. And believe it or not, they are sympathetic ones. A lot of you may have never experienced racism so don't bash me on it until you have dealt with it personally. I really would like to see a solution to this.

[Ty Kissner]

allen you have touched on a subject that I will only say what you say makes complete sense however, beings u and I are guys of the new minority ther is not much we can do other than grin and bear it..........

the term that refers racism to whites is reverse racism and I have experienced it in the work world and in school......everyone faces a form of racism or prejudice everyday and there is no way in stopping it.....

with that said Blacks make it an issue because they can, if i went on national tv and said some black guy called me a honkey, cracker, or any other slang term i would get laughed off the air, yet if a person of minority says somone called them a coon, tar baby, camel jockey, towel head, spic, nipper, moon cricket they would get the heart felt sympathy of a nation, is it right ? Is it gonna change ? Is there anything we can do about it ? The answer is an emphatic NO......

allen all we can do is do what we have been, bend over and take it up the tail pipe because even if we went to our respected congress and showed them we the caucasin's are victims of racism, not a damn thing would be done.......

you wanna hear a funny thing regarding law, if you or I say any derogatory term to a person of visible minority then proceede to commit a crime against them, it automatically gets classified as a Hate Crime (which carries a heftier penalty), but if they do the exact same to us, they are charged with the crime they comitted, (assault, robbery, etc).....where the hell is the justice in that ?

I never want to hear a person of minority use the word oppressed because they have everything handed to them nowadays, while we the middle white class struggle to make ends meet........Blacks especially they wonder why they have negative stereotypes that portray them, look at the way they conduct themselves, they portray themselves as thug gangsters that are ballin, drug dealin, women abusing gee's....Even the famous ones do.....Have they ever stopped to wonder and ask Maybe were the source of our own problem ?

Thats just my opinion and well if it offends you.....Not my problem.

[gambit]

Everything you have said I am aware of and I, too, have been dealing with it my whole life.
As this event goes, my sister, when she was in the 7th grade, when I was in the 8th, was held by her throat, against a wall, by a black guy, and was told to call him daddy. The school did nothing! Even after several meetings with the school they refused to do anything. So, me and my brother did.
Back when you could settle your differences by way of fist-a-cuffs, we settled it then and were called the racists because we fought the black guys (the other guys rallied with his cousin) on the sole reason of what had happened. Yes, it was then called a hate crime, but not deemed as a political term, yet.
My brother and I got 3 days suspension and they got NOTHING but sympathy. Never mind the fact that my sister was physically assaulted by this guy who should have been in the 12th grade! She couldn't defend herself with him, so we did it for her...just like brothers are supposed to do. We were happy to take the 3 days...we had chores to do anyway.

I agree wholeheartedly that they have created this image of themselves as "gangstas", etc. and I am completely taken aback that they cannot see they have created this perception...not the white world.

Blacks have the entertainment industry wrapped up and they still think they are being held back by the white society. Why do they think that? Truly...why?


I do NOT agree with you that we should bend over and take it up the "tailpipe". Maybe we SHOULD fight to abolish the DOUBLE STANDARD and live as everyone wants to be treated!!!
But I understand what you meant though.

[gambit]

Another similar incident happened to my daughter where the guy, who is black, created a situation where they had to be separated at school.

Mind you, this guy was the one who caused this issue. My daughter was moved from her class instead of the boy because the school didn't want to make a, "stink" about the situation. That stink was the likelihood of racial discrimination accusations coming from this boy's family if he were to have been the one who was moved and the school made sure to steer clear of it. As a result of being moved from her class she was called, by her former classmates, a traitor...followed by many other names, because they thought she was, "too good" to be in that class. The fact is they never knew what happened because it was "swept under the rug".

She has still not lived it down. For what, to appease the family of a troublemaker of a different color?!
This very thing is what angers the white people. (If they can say it, I can say it)


Please people, don't get me wrong. Don't think I am spewing racial anger. I am, however, voicing my concerns.

[Dimitry Sklyarov]

Yea, unfortunately to most of society such a touchy topic falls under ignorance is bliss

[Ty Kissner]

gambit said:

I do NOT agree with you that we should bend over and take it up the "tailpipe". Maybe we SHOULD fight to abolish the DOUBLE STANDARD and live as everyone wants to be treated!!!
But I understand what you meant though.

I dont agree that we should take it in the tail pipe either, but my hands like yours are tied with this subject due to our soft society and the constraints placed upon us by people with power....

[Deleted]

Tough topic, Allen. One issue not being considered here: racism against someone who is truly in a minority "ethnic category" versus one in a majority "ethnic category". It's a very different story in those cases.

The race card is played when people have nothing else to play. I.e., in my opinion, it is about the most blatant show of powerlessness that one can put on. Problem is, it can still hurt.

[Gary Roberts]

I thought it was pretty bad...But..

the other side is soaking it up a bit too much

a lot of "begging to be on Oprah" moments

[Ty Kissner]

i dunno guys......sure Don Imus made a racial slur.......but have you ever heard Dave Chapppelle, Dane Cook, Richard Pryor or Andrew Dyce Clay, their comments are way worse than anything Don Imus has said, yet their given a free pass because they are comedians....

Sure there is racism prevelant but as gary put it "the other side" only play the race card when it benefits them...In my opinion there are 3 events that occured that their always milkin for sympathy and they need to start telling the truth about....................

Number one: Rodney King should've gotten his ass beat for being drunk in a Honda in a white part of Los Angeles. Just not by the police....

Number two: O.J. did it! any poor black would have been found guilty with that evidence.

And number three: Rosa Parks didn't do nuthin' but sit her ass down! cuz that is what u do when your tired. Only reason anything got down was cuz he had freinds in the NAACP...

[gambit]

bobkeller said:

Tough topic, Allen. One issue not being considered here: racism against someone who is truly in a minority "ethnic category" versus one in a majority "ethnic category". It's a very different story in those cases.

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Bob,

Call me a little slow in figuring out what you're saying here, but can you describe, or give examples of who, in each of the categories you listed, are victims pertaining to not just this story?

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Gary,

It may have been bad in his approach of being funny, but like Ty said, it is no different than what Richard Pryor used to be able to get away with.
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Why the complaints?
Is it because they see there could be a possible lawsuit avenue? Or, are they looking for the avenue to scream racism at any chance they can? Remember the glass house who is occupied by the rock thrower!

This double standard is, and has been going on for WAY too long when it shouldn't even have it's place. Especially have a place with the ones complaining about it! They say this world has no place for racism? OK, quit demonstrating it then!

Please tell me if I am wrong, but I know I am not.




P.S. Just heard Don Imus' show will no longer be simul-casted on MSNBC any longer.... Wow! I guess the squeakier wheel does get the grease!

I'm going to petition Ray Nagin to step down now! HA! How far do you think that'll go?!?!

[Ty Kissner]

tylerkissner said:

Number one: Rodney King should've gotten his ass beat for being drunk in a Honda in a white part of Los Angeles. Just not by the police....

Number two: O.J. did it! any poor black would have been found guilty with that evidence.

And number three: Rosa Parks didn't do nuthin' but sit her ass down! cuz that is what u do when your tired. Only reason anything got down was cuz he had freinds in the NAACP...

just before there is any contoversy or accusations that I may be Racist, these words were taken from a black entertainer in an all black movie, written by an all black production squad and well they seem to be perfect examples of how african americans pull the race card or use past events to justify their behaviors of today.....

[gambit]

tylerkissner said:

tylerkissner said:

Number one: Rodney King should've gotten his ass beat for being drunk in a Honda in a white part of Los Angeles. Just not by the police....

Number two: O.J. did it! any poor black would have been found guilty with that evidence.

And number three: Rosa Parks didn't do nuthin' but sit her ass down! cuz that is what u do when your tired. Only reason anything got down was cuz he had freinds in the NAACP...

just before there is any contoversy or accusations that I may be Racist, these words were taken from a black entertainer in an all black movie, written by an all black production squad and well they seem to be perfect examples of how african americans pull the race card or use past events to justify their behaviors of today.....

Ty,

You damn racists!!! You know, being white you cannot say that, even if it came from a black source!!!!! You'll get in trouble!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D

[Ty Kissner]

ah screw it, Im tired of hiding I am racist.......I hate them and they stink

Let the south rise again...........