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Post by enginterzi on Jul 6, 2007 18:02:35 GMT -5
the summary of Quran (AL FATIHA)
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds; 3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful; 4. Master of the Day of Judgment. 5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. 6. Show us the straight way, 7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
ALLAH (the Creator of the heavens and the earth)
“Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as he permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures As) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend over the heavens and on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding and preserving them, For He is the Most High, The Supreme (in glory).”
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Post by Mat Helmer on Jul 6, 2007 19:48:49 GMT -5
The Holy Qur’ân states: "(Blessed be) He who created death and life, so that He may test you, which of you is the best in deeds". This temporary life, is but an abode of test, a test between honesty and deceit, kindness and oppression, passion and intellect. Man has to seek salvation through the guidance of the Lord. He has to combine faith with action and belief with practice. I like this passage. He has to combine faith with action and belief with practice.
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Post by Mat Helmer on Jul 6, 2007 19:53:12 GMT -5
About 1400 years ago, in his last sermon, Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) said: “All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white — except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: Do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.” We are all brothers, despite our perceived differences.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jul 6, 2007 21:07:04 GMT -5
Genises to Revelations
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 6, 2007 21:51:57 GMT -5
Engin thats interesting, i didnt know islam even did a animal sacrifice at all. Engin and i disagree with this.....but christianity doesnt believe in the same God as Allah. But engin and i can speak respectfully
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jul 6, 2007 22:51:28 GMT -5
Engin thats interesting, i didnt know islam even did a animal sacrifice at all. Engin and i disagree with this.....but christianity doesnt believe in the same God as Allah. But engin and i can speak respectfully I believe that it is the same God. We know of the Trinity. Muslims know of the one true God. Engin uses the name of Allah. We use Jesus, or the Father, or the Holy Spirit (as one God). Logic dictates that there can only be one true God. We shouldn't get caught up in how we name Him. Engin will likely never call God Jesus. I will likely never call God Allah. But, we absolutely believe in the same God. What matters is our righteousness. That one true God is going to judge us on our righteousness.
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Jul 6, 2007 23:42:14 GMT -5
Engin I'm reading a book right now I got it from a man who I told that I was struggling with my faith. I said I'm starting to Doubt my faith.. The book is called "the case for Christ" by lee strobel he promises me that this will help. i know that you are not Christian and maybe this is unchristian to say but I do not fear for your salvation! if I'm lucky I will be able to see you in Heaven when our day's on earth are done. when I finish this book i will tell you if it's a good read or not! if you have a Muslim book that is translated in English or French I'll read it. provided it's not your "holy book" I'm just looking for related subjects. like I wouldn't say hey E read the Bible.
Grippler Out!
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 7, 2007 4:17:46 GMT -5
hello Grippler, i have read Bible for years and i also read Gospel of Barnabas too( www.barnabas.net/ ).i do not think that a none Christian who do not believe in the salvation of the Christ and his cross,can go to heaven according to Christianity but i may be wrong.but i commend you for not putting yourself on judging chair to send me to hell. in our belief Allah has said HE has sent messengers to every nation for HE would not punish them without showing the right path and warning about the results of following the wrong path.HE is so merciful that HE has always helped to the mankind for their salvation.in Islamic belief any man or woman who believes in ONE and ONLY Creator receives the mercy from Allah.the only sin that HE does not forgive is to worship another with Him.as Quran states; 2-62. "Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. " 5-69 " Those who believe (in the Quran), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." HE has all the power and HE does not share His honour with anyone.all needs to listen and obey Him but HE only tells to all what they should do.because HE knows the best for us,because HE is 100% just&fair to not to fail about leading us correctly.yes there are things that are in life and sound unfair to us but HE is in control of everything and on the day of judgement everyone will receive what they have earned while here on the earth.there are millions of things in the life and our capacity is not enough to understand all these.we born without having any idea about it and no one knows when the death is going to knock our doors.we are subject of illnesses,accidents,cold,hunger and so many other things to remember our place all the time.still not being able to use no more than 10% of our brain capacity but ready to deny everything that we can not understand with uncontrolable pride.what would happen if a time machine would bring a few people from 500 years ago to this day?could they understand what goes on around them?so we all know only what HE permits us to know and i believe that we will continue to learn more and more.with science and everything some of us gets stronger in faith but some who thinks that we believe in GOD like a magician,becomes stronger in his unfaithfulness.of course that the Creator created everything with His endless knowledge and we only discover what HE already created and think that we created something. www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html www.miraclesofthequran.com/ here are some some helpful books and documentaries that you can read and watch by web; www.harunyahya.net/V2/Lang/en/Pg/WorkList/Work/Book/
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 7, 2007 4:32:42 GMT -5
I believe that it is the same God. We know of the Trinity. Muslims know of the one true God. Engin uses the name of Allah. We use Jesus, or the Father, or the Holy Spirit (as one God). Logic dictates that there can only be one true God. We shouldn't get caught up in how we name Him. Engin will likely never call God Jesus. I will likely never call God Allah. But, we absolutely believe in the same God. What matters is our righteousness. That one true God is going to judge us on our righteousness. we Muslims also believe that Jews,Christians and Muslims believe in same GOD.according to Muslims ,Jews believed what came to them but denied what came after them,Christians believed what was before them and what came to them but denied what came after them,and Muslims believed what was before them and what came to them.the main difference is Trinity,one of us is making a huge mistake but we all will be able to see the fact all together as soon as we give our last breaths.till then the best we can do is live in peace on this earth with respecting eachother's faith.we Muslims believe in Jesus,in his birth by virgin mother Mary (in Quran she is the only woman that is shown as the best example of woman and Allah angers on people who says that she was not a virgin),in Jesus' miracles (with Allah's permit) and his ascendance to heaven.but we believe that Jesus has been created by Allah,he is a messenger of Allah,he said and did only as Allah told him,he worshipped and still worships Allah for Allah is greater than him,only Allah knows the hour of the judgement day,and HE will send Jesus again near the judgement day,no one is good except Allah alone. you are right about i will never call Jesus as GOD and you will never call Allah as your GOD but i know that Christians and Jews has called Allah as GOD; teammaine.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&thread=1146562660&page=1 Recently also, Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archeologist, found from the Forth Century (200 years before Islam) houses in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscription in Arabic :"Bismi Allah al-Rahman al-Raheem" which means in Arabic "In the name of ALLAH, the Most Merciful and the Most Gracious", which again proves that His Holy name existed before Islam and it also proves the True Oneness of Allah Almighty. The word "Allah" as the name of GOD in the Book of Ezra in the Aramaic Bible: Christians themselves not aware that 'Allah' is actually the God of every prophet, the proof is Old Testament itself. In Aramaic God is 'Elah', in Hebrew is 'Eloah' whereas in Arabic is 'Allah', these 3 are actually related to each other. The different in pronounciation is only on slang. I have found the interesting proof from Christian's source to prove this. Please read: elah "GOD".this Aramaic word is the equivalent of the Hebrew "eloah".it is a general term for "GOD" in the Aramaic passages of the old testament,AND IT IS A COGNATE FORM OF THE WORD "ALLAH" ,THE DESIGNATION OF DEITY USED BY THE ARABS.THE WORD WAS USED WIDELY IN THE BOOK OF EZRA,OCCURING NO FEWER THAN 43 TIMES BETWEEN EZRA 4.24 AND 7.26.on each occasion,the reference is to GOD of the Jewish people,whether the speaker or writer was him-self Jewish or not.thus the governer of the province "beyond the river" spoke to king Darius of the "house of the great GOD" (Ezra 5:8).so also Cyrus instructed Sheshbazzar,the governor,that the "house of the GOD be builded" in Jerusalem (Ezra 5:15). This passage is taken from Vine's Complete Exposition Dictionary by W.E. Vine, Merrill F.Unger, William White, Jr., Thomas Nelson Publishers, Nashville, TN, 1996. This book also has mentioned that Ezra and prophet Daniel were called their God as "Elah". The passage above is more than enough to encounter back the allegation made by some Christians about Allah=Enlil.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 7, 2007 5:46:07 GMT -5
About 1400 years ago, in his last sermon, Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) said: “All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white — except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: Do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.” We are all brothers, despite our perceived differences. Mathew, i believe in the same way,about the differences i can say that GOD knows the best and HE will tell us the truth on the certain day.i can see that you are not prejudiced.yes there are differences in our faiths but it is not a reason to not to live in peace.people like yourself,are increasing my faith in a possible global peace.i never believed that people have killed because of their faith (except for defending themselves) but they used religion to justify their personal wrong doings,and to receive support for what they do.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 7, 2007 8:49:57 GMT -5
I believe that it is the same God. We know of the Trinity. Muslims know of the one true God. Engin uses the name of Allah. We use Jesus, or the Father, or the Holy Spirit (as one God). Logic dictates that there can only be one true God. We shouldn't get caught up in how we name Him. Engin will likely never call God Jesus. I will likely never call God Allah. But, we absolutely believe in the same God. What matters is our righteousness. That one true God is going to judge us on our righteousness. Your more than welcome to worship the same God that engin worships..... As i stated before, engin and i disagree on that. But the God of islam, is not the God of the bible. The significant difference is that the God of christiany provided a sacrifice to cleanse our sin. The God of Islam, doesntprovide that. So.......one of them is wrong......and it CANT be the same God. Because God is infallible. and perfect. this.....is a significant contradiction.....and to say that they are the same God......is pretty dangerous in my opinion. Especially for a christian......That violates the basics of scripture.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 7, 2007 8:57:35 GMT -5
Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran commands us to return the evil that is done to us by others to not only with good, but with best!.
Let us look at Noble Verse 13:22 "Those who patiently persevere, seeking the countenance of their Lord; establish regular prayers; spend out of (the gifts) We have bestowed for their sustenance, secretly and openly; and turn off evil with good: for such there is the final attainment of the (Eternal) Home."
Let us look at Noble Verse 23:96 "Repel evil with that which is best: We are Well-acquainted with the things they say."
Let us look at Noble Verse 41:34 "Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!."
Let us look at Noble Verse 28:54 "Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert evil with good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them."
Let us look at Noble Verse 42:40 "The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) Loveth not those who do wrong."
Allah Almighty loves those who restrain anger: "Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good. (The Noble Quran, 3:134)"
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 7, 2007 8:58:39 GMT -5
[ What matters is our righteousness. That one true God is going to judge us on our righteousness. The bible teaches that our righteousness is as filthy rags......interesting, that reference is refering to menstrual rags uggh. Our "righteousness" doesnt matter. It is his Righteousness alone that matters.......in the eyes of God he makes us righteous through the blood of christ. So.....christianity teaches the blood of Christ is the only thing that can make us righteous. Therefore.......one of us (islam, or christiany) is wrong.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 7, 2007 9:19:22 GMT -5
in Islam no one can pay anything for another,each soul is responsible of his actions;
"123. Then guard yourselves against a Day when one soul shall not avail another, nor shall compensation be accepted from her nor shall intercession profit her nor shall anyone be helped (from outside)."
Allah warns us about the traps of Satan;
168. "O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the Satan, for he is to you an avowed enemy. "
173." He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful. "
"177. It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces towards East or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and give Zakat (regular charity); to fulfill the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God fearing. "
there is no mediator between Allah and us;
186. "When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I respond to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. "
HE gives us advices about right behaving;
188. "And do not eat up your property among yourselves for vanities, nor use it as bait for the judges, with intent that ye may eat up wrongfully and knowingly a little of (other) people's property. "
215. "They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever wealth ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -Allah knoweth it well."
219. "They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: "What is beyond your needs." Thus doth Allah make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider-"
there are war orders in Quran but if you read carefully then you will realise that it is against people who would like fight against Muslims,it has defending purpose not offending purpose;
190. "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. 192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them on until there is no more persecution or oppression, and the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease. Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. "
these is no force in Islam;
256. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 7, 2007 9:20:56 GMT -5
some nice advices;
261. The parable of those who spend their wealth in the way of Allah is that of a grain of corn: it groweth seven ears, and each ear Hath a hundred grains. Allah giveth manifold increase to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things. 262. Those who spend their substance in the cause of Allah, and follow not up their gifts with reminders of their generosity or with injury,-for them their reward is with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 263. Kind words and the covering of faults are better than charity followed by injury. Allah is free of all wants, and He is Most-Forbearing. 264. O ye who believe! cancel not your charity by reminders of your generosity or by injury,- like those who spend their wealth to be seen of men, but believe neither in Allah nor in the Last Day. They are in parable like a hard, barren rock, on which is a little soil: on it falls heavy rain, which leaves it (just) a bare stone. They will be able to do nothing with aught they have earned. And Allah guideth not those who reject faith. 265. And the likeness of those who spend their substance, seeking to please Allah and to strengthen their souls, is as a garden, high and fertile: heavy rain falls on it but makes it yield a double increase of harvest, and if it receives not heavy rain, light moisture sufficeth it. Allah seeth well whatever ye do. 266. Does any of you wish that he should have a garden with date-palms and vines and streams flowing underneath, and all kinds of fruit, while he is stricken with old age, and his children are not strong (enough to look after themselves)- that it should be caught in a whirlwind, with fire therein, and be burnt up? Thus doth Allah make clear to you (His) Signs; that ye may consider. 267. O ye who believe! Give of the good things which ye have (honorably) earned, and of the fruits of the earth which We have produced for you, and do not even aim at getting anything which is bad, in order that out of it ye may give away something, when ye yourselves would not receive it except with closed eyes. And know that Allah is Free of all wants, and Worthy of all praise. 268. The Satan threatens you with poverty and bids you to conduct unseemly. Allah promiseth you His forgiveness and bounties. And Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things. 269. He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but men of understanding. 270. And whatever ye spend in charity or whatever vow ye make, be sure Allah knows it all. But the wrong-doers have no helpers. 271. If ye disclose (acts of) charity, even so it is well, but if ye conceal them, and make them reach those (really) in need, that is best for you: It will remove from you some of your (stains of) evil. And Allah is well acquainted with what ye do. 272. It is not required of thee (O Messenger.), to set them on the right path, but Allah sets on the right path whom He pleaseth. Whatever of good ye give benefits your own souls, and ye shall only do so seeking the "Face" of Allah. Whatever good ye give, shall be rendered back to you, and ye shall not be dealt with unjustly. 273. (Charity is) for those in need, who, in Allah's cause are restricted (from travel), and cannot move about in the land, seeking (for trade or work): the ignorant man thinks, because of their modesty, that they are free from want. Thou shalt know them by their (unfailing) mark: They beg not importunately from all the sundry. And whatever of good ye give, be assured Allah knoweth it well. 274. Those who (in charity) spend of their goods by night and by day, in secret and in public, have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
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