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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 23, 2005 12:57:04 GMT -5
Yes, I have been considering adding one or two moderators to the board, and even another administrator. That way, the board will continue to grow, even if something happens to me (god forbid  ). However, after a couple of years of moderating this board, I realize now how difficult it is to be unbiased towards members that I personally know. Do some of these people 'get away' with more, compared to members that I don't know? Maybe, maybe not. But there is that little bit of 'conflict-of-interest' lurking around, so to speak. Therefore, I think any new moderators will be anonymous (but existing members of the board). What do you all think about this? Fair, unfair? Either way, if anyone is interested in being a moderator, then Instant Message me... Maybe I am the only one that has a problem with this idea of anonymous moderators. But it seems to me that Kurt has done a fine job without having to enlist the help of others. Do we really need people other than Kurt telling us what we can or can not say on the board. One of the things I thought this board brought to us was the simple fact that no one was anonymous. You knew who was saying what. Now it's an issue as to what people are being allowed to say? Kurt is not, by any means bias in any way. He and I have known each other for a few years now and he has no problem deleting anything of mine that he has to. I think this board prides itself on the fact that it's not like the other boards. You are held responsible for your actions, in plain view of the whole world. That's just it, the whole world views this board and I think if a few individuals have a problem with what they are reading, then Don't Read It!!! I can't tell you how many times I go on the off topic forum and have to see posts started there about Jesus Christ this and Muslims that and the latest was Masons are satan worshipers or something like that. That one really hit home with me because my father was a mason, and if any of you have met my father you know he wasn't a satan worshiper. I had private messaged Ryan, asking him to please stop with the mason stuff. I had explained to him that I had lost my father in December, and that I would appreciate it if he would let it go. Obviously he didn't. But I let it roll off my back. Like so many people should do if something bothers them. If we all did that, then moderating this board wouldn't be an issue. All I am saying is, if you are not interested in the thread or the responses, don't read the thread. Do we really need more police on the board. I, for one know that everytime I post I have to take into account how many people are gonna call Kurt with "Pete's at it again", or they email Kurt with"Could you please delete Milano's post, it offends me". I know this goes on, and I have to think about it every time I post. I have to call Kurt and plead my case as to why I posted what I posted and why I need it to stay up there. Can't we just leave well enough alone and enjoy what the man has done for us? I say leave the board the way it is and stop bugging Kurt with all the b i t c hing and moaning about who said what on the board. In the end does it really matter? If you know someone, like myself, is posting crap that you don't want to read than DON"T READ IT!!!! Just my opinion. Jerks!!!!!!! |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 23, 2005 13:53:51 GMT -5
No Anon Moderators!
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Post by Gary Roberts on Mar 23, 2005 14:09:40 GMT -5
public...
but Kurt you probably can figure out who would be fair and who wouldn't by now.
gary
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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 23, 2005 14:50:33 GMT -5
public... but Kurt you probably can figure out who would be fair and who wouldn't by now. gary How about none Gary? |
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Post by jamesretarides on Mar 23, 2005 15:26:05 GMT -5
I am against anonymous moderators personally. But we can't ask Kurt to foot the bill himself. No one should be able to tell him how to run his site, though I would prefer we knew who the new sheriff in town would be in case of any sort of favoritism that might occur, or in the event of blatant censorship. I do trust Kurt's judgement and believe anyone of his choosing would be evenhanded. However the spinelessness of anonymity should be kept on other boards where it is not only accepted, but encouraged. But that's a can of worms I'll let someone else open up.  Pete is right, the lack of anonymity is what drew everyone to this site and continues to 194 members later. Just a thought |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 23, 2005 15:28:10 GMT -5
Pete i told you i would try. never promised anything. And i told you if i felt compelled or enticed to respond that i would.
Again i apologize if my actions were not satisfactory for you.
But i think Kurt has done an excellent job in not being Bias. I dont think it would be a good thing that anons would delete anything at there own discresion.
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Post by Steven Lareau on Mar 23, 2005 15:31:44 GMT -5
Pete, you make some good points. I agree that an anonymous moderator would not be in the board's best interest; however, I do feel that additional moderator(s) would be a positive thing.
The point of a second moderator would be to give another opinion about controversial issues. When controversial posts are put up, often times personal feelings can affect the decision to delete or not delete the post. If one person is constantly making this decision, it becomes difficult and stressful at times. As the board continues to grow this issue will only continue to grow as well.
This board is a positive thing, but having additional moderators would not be for "more police" as much as it would be about trying to stay fair and impartial for everyone's benefit.
You bring up some very good points about the downsides of an anonymous moderator, and I agree that having a moderator as anonymous would not be in the best interest of the board. The armwrestling community is far too small to have an effective anonymous moderator. I believe that with the size and frequency of posts that this board has been experiencing, it would be beneficial to have another moderator or two to help with the maintenance of this board.
I don't believe that Kurt is biased at all; rather I believe that he has a ton of responsibility with running this board, his website, etc. He has done a great job with putting this all together, and I think that the board will continue to be a positive place regardless of what Kurt decides to do with it.
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Post by Gary Roberts on Mar 23, 2005 15:45:38 GMT -5
Pete,
I run another message board non related to armwrestling and personally it is next to impossible for me to moderate it by my lonesome. Actually, I don't even really moderate it anymore because I am so busy with armwrestling so I leave it to my moderators.
As the sport grows and the board grows then it would only be natural for the moderators to grow.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 23, 2005 15:59:41 GMT -5
All I am saying guys is that I don't think the board needs anyone other than Kurt. Maybe I am wrong, but to enlist the help of others could cause a problem for many. First, it's not fair to make them anonymous by the simple fact that this board has completely abolished anonymity. Second, you couldn't publicly announce who the additional moderater is unless they are not a member of this board. To have an existing member of this board be an additional moderater would not be in the boards best interest.
This is why I said to put up a disclaimer, this way it could relinquish Kurt of any legal matters concerning the conduct on this board. Listen, I am not looking for a way to get around policing the board. I am simply trying to suggesst options other than additional moderaters. Public or Anonymous.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 23, 2005 16:01:17 GMT -5
Pete i told you i would try. never promised anything. And i told you if i felt compelled or enticed to respond that i would. Again i apologize if my actions were not satisfactory for you. But i think Kurt has done an excellent job in not being Bias. I dont think it would be a good thing that anons would delete anything at there own discresion. Don't worry Ryan, you'll get yours soon enough!!!! |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 23, 2005 16:51:16 GMT -5
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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 23, 2005 18:52:19 GMT -5
Hey Ryan, one day when you venture North, I will take back 400 years of hel from your head and I will take my 40 acres of land and my mule from your A$$!!!
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Post by Amedeo Goga on Mar 23, 2005 20:32:53 GMT -5
VERY WELL SAID MR. MILANO !!!
WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T NEED ANY MORE MODERATORS...
JUST DON'T READ ANY POSTS BY SOMEONE YOU KNOW OFFENDS YOU WITH THEIR VIEW...
IT'S LIKE RADIO AND HOWARD STERN...JUST TUNE OUT...
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Post by Chris Gangi on Mar 23, 2005 21:21:13 GMT -5
HEY GUYS...
i think you are missing the big picture here i agree if you know someone on a thread offends you than don't read it..but if someone like the OLYMPIC commitee see's something offensive and kurt did not catch it because he is so busy he did not have the time...
as we all know not everyone has thick skin and is a little messed up like most of us and they take some of the comments to heart and with the publicity that this board is getting i think it would be a good idea to keep it clean and dignified for all other's to see...
don't forget if you have something mean or just want to bust chops you can IM that person....
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Mar 23, 2005 22:02:26 GMT -5
I believe that the idea of a new moderator/administrator would be a good idea. Kurt has done so much for all of us. How can we expect Kurt to handle so much responsibility alone. It would no be far to him. This board is growing at a decent rate, and before long, it will become a full time deal.
As for the anonymous moderator idea, I don't like the idea, but I know why Kurt would do it, if in fact that's what he decides to do. Imagine some of the snide attitude some people would give a new moderator, because they are not Kurt. Just remember that even if there were new moderators, Kurt is still at the top of the chain. I will support any decision that Kurt made, seeing as how He was the one that let me on here in the first place.
As for who to chose from. I think it should be someone from this board. Who's been on this board for 1 year atleast. That way it would be someone familiar with how things go on on this board, what to take seriously, what not to take seriously. That way the person has had time to see how Kurt runs this board.
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