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Post by sashabamdad on Mar 21, 2009 23:47:12 GMT -5
I watched the Miller vs Logsdon match and I heard about Miller not loading up.
Can someone explain the benefit to this?
Is it dangerous for a rookie to do it?
I only put the poll up to see the average amount of pullers who don't Load up.
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Post by Todd Smiley on Mar 21, 2009 23:59:09 GMT -5
I watched the Miller vs Logsdon match and I heard about Miller not loading up. Can someone explain the benefit to this? Is it dangerous for a rookie to do it? I only put the poll up to see the average amount of pullers who don't Load up. No loading or loose gripping can give a speed advantage. Some guys have to load up in order to hit, if they arent used to it and the other guy wont match the load they lose their comfort when hitting the go. Scott Lohmann is a loose gripper and catches alot of guys off guard with it, He flashed Sonny Larson tonight that way in a match. |
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Post by Willie Reagan on Mar 22, 2009 2:26:56 GMT -5
Corey is like lightning. It benifits him to not load because he can hit faster. Corey has alot of thrust as well and with no load, he can really tee-off!!
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Post by David Owens on Mar 22, 2009 2:37:50 GMT -5
Kenny Hughes used to go with no load against some pullers ,my dad hated it because he said it went from being who was the strongest to being who was the fastest ,he'd get him loosened up like a wet noodle and then dive in , and it worked alot
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Post by Willie Reagan on Mar 22, 2009 2:57:39 GMT -5
David, it is a sport of strategy. The looser you are, the faster you are. One must learn how to adjust for all grips. You must train for speed as well as a load.
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Post by David Owens on Mar 22, 2009 2:58:35 GMT -5
I agree ,but my dad would argue with you all day
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Post by Willie Reagan on Mar 22, 2009 3:04:21 GMT -5
He can argue all he wants, but one must be ready for everything. You have to train for a dead load as well as a poweer load.
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Post by Will Sarty on Mar 22, 2009 7:53:46 GMT -5
absolutely agree..when your at the table, your responsible for all aspects of armwrestling..cant be narrow minded in this sport..thats like saying, i would have beat him if he hooked me..
you should train and be prepared for every style of pulling...
look the Japanese..i dont think any of these guys load...one great reason to train both styles..
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Post by John Wilson on Mar 22, 2009 8:01:45 GMT -5
Going with no load is an advanced strategy. It might feel like you are limp to your opponent, but you are cocked and locked and ready to hit, you just aren't loading up on your opponent.
This style only works with good refs. Someone who does not know how to start with no load will try to pull you halfway across the table on the setup. A good ref will force them back to the center. Then the inexperienced puller will get very upset because he can't load if the other puller won't match his pressure. He simply doesn't know what to do.
An inexperienced ref won't know what to do, either, and will start the match way off center. You cannot start with no load if the ref won't do his job. You have to tailor your strategy to all factors on the table and the refs can be a huge factor. If the refs will give the other guy all the advantage he wants you need to be prepared for that and be able to load.
This used to be a point of contention with the AAA rules that stated you had to match your opponent's pressure on the start. That almost guaranteed you couldn't start with no load, unless your opponenent wasn't loading either. USAA was always very strict about starting in the center, which made your opponent adapt to your no-load start.
If you pull any WAF you must know how to start with no load because WAF will always start you in the center.
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Post by Craig Brought on Mar 23, 2009 2:58:59 GMT -5
I gotta agree with Will its better to be prepared for all styles . I also learned from the high Chief Ron Klemba that you gotta learn to open your mouth an complain to the refs sometime that your opponent is not matching your back pressure or just break the grip to prevent quick starts in this situation.
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Post by Malin Kleinsmith on Mar 23, 2009 3:49:09 GMT -5
I always start with not loading, it benefits me to be more explosive, but I have the most problems with the people that does load or keep their arm and hand tense when I am having a loose grip, if they are much stronger than me, they can catch me! But I never load and it works good for me!
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Post by Willie Reagan on Mar 23, 2009 14:55:22 GMT -5
You dont have to match backpressure. You can just lift your elbow and let your opponent pull you to his side of the table. No referee in their right mind will let you start you that way!
John is right, the Japaneese start with no load at all. They are very fast and usually react very well to the start.
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Post by David Owens on Mar 23, 2009 15:39:08 GMT -5
You dont have to match backpressure. You can just lift your elbow and let your opponent pull you to his side of the table. No referee in their right mind will let you start you that way! John is right, the Japaneese start with no load at all. They are very fast and usually react very well to the start. except for AAA right ,you have to match the load by their rules |
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Post by Josh Handeland on Mar 23, 2009 18:02:58 GMT -5
I load a bit but if somebody doesn't load then I have to not load and that's fine with me. That's the way it should be imho. A lot of people load a lot harder than I do. I have a question, in AAA do you have to have your elbows on the elbow pad when you take a grip? I've been to 2 of Mary's tournaments and the refs told me that I had to put my elbow on the pad when I grip up.
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Post by John Wilson on Mar 23, 2009 21:55:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the rules state you have to have your elbow on the pad to grip up or not. I do like that, however. It keeps the 'flying into the grip' BS to a minimum. You know, the setup where your opponent comes in out of the sun like a kamikaze and jams the webbing of his thumb into yours then proceeds to wraps his fingers around the back of your hand until his fingertips are on the pinky side of your palm. Then he sets his elbow down and turns you into a hook so deep the back of his own hand is touching his chest. Then he gets mad when the refs won't let him start like that.
You can't do all that with your elbow down. Ref's grip please.
Willie- Right on. Lift your elbow and watch the guy get that dog-with-his-head-cocked to one side look. Yeah, hard to load up when my elbow isn't down. Ref's grip, please! "Load now, dude, but you better stay in the center..."
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